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That is not the God of Israel. That is the God of Witness Lee. Both you and WL will be cast into the lake for fire for preaching that nonsense.
Attempts to blame Witness Lee for Second Thessalonians 1:7-10 are useless. Blaming Witness Lee for what I wrote is a useless irrelevant emotional red herring. Probably you only do it to solicit some biased attitudes to your side.
Why don't you blame Paul ? He wrote it.
And your obsession with your other strawman argument, I have found is futile to engage you over.
@sonship saidOnce again you fail to comprehend the OP.
@caissad4Once again you have failed to provide extraordinary proof for your extraordinary claim. Please try again.
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I never said I was going to offer proof, extraordinary or not.
So saying I failed means nothing to me.
YOU have failed to prove that "God is" is an extraordinary claim to begin with. You won't even try.
It is good enough ...[text shortened]... nk.
Why is "God is" an extraordinary claim ?
Why is "God is" an extraordinary claim?
Start your own thread or please try to stay on topic.
Please provide extraordinary proof for your extraordinary claim.
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sonship, there are a string of questions still waiting for you here on this thread which have not been dispatched by your various versions of your 'It is because it is' "argument".
I don't think I need to add to what I have answered to your question. It is not as if I get satisfactory answers from you on questions put to you. Here's a string of questions for you.
1.) What ought to happen instead of what the Bible says ?
2.) Do you have the authority and the power to determine and enforce what you say ought to happen ?
3.) If you don't have the authority or power to determine and enforce what ought to happen, who does ?
4.) What is the moral purpose of having you determining law which ought to happen when you or no one else has the authority to enforce what ought to happen?
5.) What is a moral purpose or (any purpose for that matter) if there is no God ?
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@sonship saidMore "It is because it is" stuff.
@FMFsonship, there are a string of questions still waiting for you here on this thread which have not been dispatched by your various versions of your 'It is because it is' "argument".
I don't think I need to add to what I have answered to your question. It is not as of I get satisfactory answers from you on questions put to you. Here's a string of qu ...[text shortened]... law which ought to happen when you or no one else has the authority to enforce what ought to happen?
Why is the hateful and vengeful violence - which you tout as "moral perfection" - carried out in secret?
@sonship saidIn a democracy, these arrangments are in the hands of elected representatives and their agencies. These institutions are real and not conjured up by superstition and imagination. All citizens know they exist. And there is no secret torture that lasts for eternity for not believing that they do.
If you don't have the authority or power to determine and enforce what ought to happen, who does ?
@sonship saidWhat "last judgement"?
If what the Bible says is not what ought to happen in the last judgment what ought to happen instead ?
We are subject to legal systems and are punished for breaking laws in our lifetimes. And then we die.
The "last judgement" is a superstitious notion that appeals to your imagination. You have no proof it even exists. It does not creat any actual moral imperatives for anyone in their lifetime other than for those whose belief in the supernatural makes them think that way about themselves. Asking me about the "last judgement" is akin to using circular logic.
Question for anyone:
If God in the Bible is to be criticized and condemned what person in all human history do you think is the MOST qualified to point out the unrighteousness of God.
And I want NAMES.
Jesus called God His Father and called Him "Righteous Father" (John 17:25).
Jesus Christ never uttered a word of condemnation towards God, His Father. Who here is qualified to correct His assessment of God if He is wrong ?
Names.
@sonship saidYour ideology is morally incoherent. You can peddle "the [righteousness or] unrighteousness of God" to your heart's content. If it's found to be morally incoherent then it has no affect on morality. What moral lessons can humans draw from hateful, vengeful violence that last forever? None. It's just demented nonsense concocted out of ancient mythology. Anything built upon it, ultimately, is morall incoherent.
If God in the Bible is to be criticized and condemned what person in all human history do you think is the MOST qualified to point out the unrighteousness of God.