16 Jul 19
@fmf saidI thought the implication that was that I am a hypocrite, and you stated that it makes you laugh -- and that I am self-righteous who comes up with self-serving ideology?
BUMP: What criticisms do you think I am "heaping" on you?
Personally, I think it's totally fine for you to sleep with your girlfriend as long as there is not any morally unsound dimension to the relationship. What criticisms do you think I "heap" on you?
Personally, I think it's fine for him to have sex with his partner as long as there are no morally unsound aspects to what is going on, but - just saying - self-righteous Christians with their little bits of self-servingly modified bits of 'holy' ideology make me laugh sometimes.
Surely, that was directed at me.
And it would be worth noting that the post was also directed at Dive, who may want to bring it up again.
All of my posts can be thought of as having a scope beyond the person I am directly replying to.
16 Jul 19
@philokalia saidWell, one could say I made a 25 year effort to maintain "faith in Him". So do you think I am probably going to escape the 3,000,000-and-still-counting of torment in burning flames?
Since the punishment is premised entirely on those who have made no effort to be united with God and have chosen to not have Faith in Him, why would you not deserve to be separate from God for 55,000 years, 120,000 years, and 3,000,000 years?
@philokalia saidYes, but I thought you were implying that that was all true and fair and pertinent?
I thought the implication that was that I am a hypocrite, and you stated that it makes you laugh -- and that I am self-righteous who comes up with self-serving ideology?
16 Jul 19
@fmf saidWow, it looks like you forgot what the original discussion was based on.
It's wishy-washy rhetoric. "If I am right..." is not a prefix to a moral argument. "If I am right..." is a prefix to assertions that are made instead of a moral argument.
I am not saying believe in my God because you'll find out when you die.
I was saying that your bumbling statement in THIS post was silly:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-proof.181437/page-51#post_4065302
16 Jul 19
@fmf saidChristianity is not an ideology. Or, I guess, people can make ideologies from Chrsitianity, but this is also wrong.
How does your ideology apply to people then?
My ideology doesn't apply to anybody.
But as I stated: if the Christian God is correct, and the revelation of Christ is correct, it will be applicable to everybody.
@philokalia saidIf you are a self-righteous hypocritical Christian by your own testimony, isn't it there for anyone to tackle you on?
All of my posts can be thought of as having a scope beyond the person I am directly replying to.
16 Jul 19
@fmf saidOh, I thought stating the beliefs of the Christian church on hell were relevant when discussign hell.
What effect is this speculation-without-evidence, and assertions attendant thereto, supposed to have on moral agents who don't believe these things that you do?
What kind of shell game is this?
When I state what is believed in response to an argument about the morality of hell, why does it shift to an argument about the evidence for hell?
Pick one of the two topics and we can handle each one of these lines separately.
@philokalia saidOf course it is, don't be silly. All religious doctrines are ideologies.
Christianity is not an ideology.
16 Jul 19
@philokalia saidThis is not a moral argument.
But as I stated: if the Christian God is correct, and the revelation of Christ is correct, it will be applicable to everybody.
16 Jul 19
@philokalia saidStating stuff is one thing. Regurgitating rote-learned dogma is just stating stuff. Making a coherent justification for the demented vengeful supernatural violence you believe is morally sound is something else.
Oh, I thought stating the beliefs of the Christian church on hell were relevant when discussign hell.
@philokalia saidIt is neither bumbling nor silly.
I was saying that your bumbling statement in THIS post was silly:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-proof.181437/page-51#post_4065302
@philokalia saidFor not having my beliefs, you will be flayed alive, skinned from head to toe, and dipped in salt and then kept alive forever on a machine that goes ping ping ping.
I am not saying believe in my God because you'll find out when you die.
And here's the real clincher: if what I am saying is true then it is true.
So you had better start having my beliefs.