@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou didn’t read what I said, I said as soon as God defines good evil is all outside of God’s definition. You get both as soon as good is defined!
Sorry Kelly but you're going to have to explain that one. The passage I highlighted says God created evil. How does that not change what you said about evil being outside of God?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYes, God created free will.
Isaiah says, 'I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.'
How could that be any clearer? He 'creates' evil. Creates it!
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI create evil does not mean commit evil. By creating free will he created both peace and evil.
Looking at the passage in context, do you think Isaiah was talking about freewill?
'I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.'
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAnd I told you how.
Isaiah says, 'I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.'
How could that be any clearer? He 'creates' evil. Creates it!
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThrough God’s nature good, justice, righteous, love, mercy and so on He created everything including us in His imagine. With the ability to behave like God, or not. You can not force someone to love you or others it is either real or not. We act out in the not more times than not. Our very nature is that, but God’s salvation changes, causing us to be born again in Him. Without His divine nature within we remain as we are.
Looking at the passage in context, do you think Isaiah was talking about freewill?
'I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.'
@eladar saidGod 'committing' evil wasn't the point being discussed. We were talking about God being the 'author' of evil, the reason it exists. You don't appear to disagree with this.
I create evil does not mean commit evil. By creating free will he created both peace and evil.
Think of it as one of those fantasy role play books from the 80s where the reader gets to choose how the story develops by making choices. Now although the reader gets to use their free will in regards to their choice, the author of the book is still responsible for the choices available.
@kellyjay saidI genuinely do not see how you are addressing the passage provided. You have simply diverted into something warm and fuzzy.
Through God’s nature good, justice, righteous, love, mercy and so on He created everything including us in His imagine. With the ability to behave like God, or not. You can not force someone to love you or others it is either real or not. We act out in the not more times than not. Our very nature is that, but God’s salvation changes, causing us to be born again in Him. Without His divine nature within we remain as we are.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI have zero issues with God creating evil, suggestions that God is evil I disagree with completely and believe only one steeped in sins could believe that!
God 'committing' evil wasn't the point being discussed. We were talking about God being the 'author' of evil, the reason it exists. You don't appear to disagree with this.
Think of it as one of those fantasy role play books from the 80s where the reader gets to choose how the story develops by making choices. Now although the reader gets to use their free will in regards to their choice, the author of the book is still responsible for the choices available.
@kellyjay saidActually, calmly stating "I have zero issues with God creating evil" is more likely to be the product of a sinful mind.
I have zero issues with God creating evil, suggestions that God is evil I disagree with completely and believe only one steeped in sins could believe that!
Personally, I struggle with the idea of good creating bad.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidBy allowing free Will God is the author of evil, I answered that in my original statement.
God 'committing' evil wasn't the point being discussed. We were talking about God being the 'author' of evil, the reason it exists. You don't appear to disagree with this.
Think of it as one of those fantasy role play books from the 80s where the reader gets to choose how the story develops by making choices. Now although the reader gets to use their free will in regards to their choice, the author of the book is still responsible for the choices available.
God also harden' s some people's heart and created some people to be evil.
@eladar saidThe Bible shows that God did not create the Devil. Instead, He created the person who became the Devil. Regarding God, the Bible says: “Perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:3-5)
By allowing free Will God is the author of evil, I answered that in my original statement.
God also harden' s some people's heart and created some people to be evil.
There are many, many more scriptures that confirm Jehovah's qualities. Evil is not one of those. The bible says he "cannot lie". If he cannot lie how could he do the evil things that we see?
You seem to blame God for the free will he gave both the angels in heaven and humans on earth. Would you prefer to not have that freewill you live with that he gave you? Is it God's fault that you might decide to murder or is it your fault?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidBreaking it down to a very simple human example, the person who made the rules for a game, where only these things can be done, has by definition ruled out all other things that could have been done as not part of the game rules. None of that would matter until the game is created then the rules apply.
Actually, calmly stating "I have zero issues with God creating evil" is more likely to be the product of a sinful mind.
Personally, I struggle with the idea of good creating bad.
God creates the frame work for the universe, breaking those are going against, goodness, justice, and love. Being just He couldn't just over look this, so He took it upon Himself to pay the price for us so His righteousness, justice, holiness could be in harmony with His love and grace.
When God says the top two rules/laws are love God and each other, anything where love is not the motivation, but hate, distain, rudeness, loathing, and so on are not walking out their lives as God has setup the universe. If loving each other isn't the mindful motivation what is, some level of selfishness.
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@eladar saidI believe God wants us all saved, but it is who-so-ever will can come to the Lord. He will by no means throw any of us out that do come to Him. This also means that those that don't want it, will keep themselves out, not because the way isn't open to them, but they don't want it and God gives us that choice. The hardening of the heart is the more God shows us what we need to see, the harder we make our hearts to avoid acknowledging the truth. The greater the extraordinary proof God can show you, if you want to reject God the harder your heart will become.
By allowing free Will God is the author of evil, I answered that in my original statement.
God also harden' s some people's heart and created some people to be evil.