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@FMF
Yes.
You can play with fire.
Like the "Blasphemy Challenge" people a while ago, BRAGGING that they could without fear blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
You are still waiting for me to be impressed with your splendid apathy ?
Let me introduce you to John Doe Atheist. Oh, he never posts here on the Forum. he doesn't even think to spend time here. He considers the whole discussion a waste of his time.
You? You protest too much here like with the roar of the deafening volume of a volcano.
Still waiting for me to be overwhelmed by your apathy to the whole matter of God ?
@sonship saidJust in case you change your mind and stop dodging: By "unrighteousness" you mean lack of belief, right? You believe that not having the same beliefs as you is "unrighteousness" and deserves the "hatred" of the God figure you believe in, yes?
@FMF
Yes.
You can play with fire.
Like the "Blasphemy Challenge" people a while ago, BRAGGING that they could without fear blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
You are still waiting for me to be impressed with your splendid apathy ?
Let me introduce you to John Doe Atheist. Oh, he never posts here on the Forum. he doesn't even think to spend time here. He considers th ...[text shortened]... of a volcano.
Still waiting for me to be overwhelmed by your apathy to the whole matter of God ?
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Just in case you change your mind and stop dodging: By "unrighteousness" you mean lack of belief, right? You believe that not having the same beliefs as you is "unrighteousness" and deserves the "hatred" of the God figure you believe in, yes?
Just as long as you keep backpeddling on your guarantee "Well the whole thing means nothing to me one way or the other" ...
@sonship saidHow can a statement of straightforward fact be described as "bragging"? Did you "fear" Dasa's threat that you would perhaps come back as a cockroach in the next life if you didn't abandon your religion and adopt his? The answer is "no", you did not "fear" his threat or any imagined upshot of his beliefs.
Like the "Blasphemy Challenge" people a while ago, BRAGGING that they could without fear blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
@sonship saidMore dodging.
@FMFJust in case you change your mind and stop dodging: By "unrighteousness" you mean lack of belief, right? You believe that not having the same beliefs as you is "unrighteousness" and deserves the "hatred" of the God figure you believe in, yes?
Just as long as you keep backpeddling on your guarantee "Well the whole thing means nothing to me one way or the other" ...
The questions remain unanswered.
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This is a debate and discussion forum. Maybe John Doe Atheist is not interested.
Yes, you keep saying that. That is until you put on the John Doe hat that the whole thing really means nothing to you anyway.
You want debate? You can go back to your claim that Jesus was just executed for political unrest.
He told Pilate that His kingdom was not of this world. And Pilate longed to release the "political" enemy RATHER than execute Him. He said He found no fault in Him and washed his hands showing his (Pontius Pilate's) innocency.
"You take Him yourselves and crucify Him. I find no fault in Him" He said. The opposing Jews said "We are not allowed to. You have to do it. And you better if you are a friend with Caesar in Rome."
Pilate caved in.
Where do you get your information that Jesus was not found innocent by the Roman governor Pilate ? Or is the Gospel of John conspiracy personally aimed at harassing you ?
@sonship saidIf Jesus was crucified, then it means he was executed by the Romans. If he was crucified by the Romans, then it would have been for a political crime. The folkloric account of the trial conjured up and written down decades and decades later does not alter this fact.
You want debate? You can go back to your claim that Jesus was just executed for political unrest.
He told Pilate that His kingdom was not of this world. And Pilate longed to release the "political" enemy RATHER than execute Him. He said He found no fault in Him and washed his hands showing his (Pontius Pilate's) innocency.
"You take Him yourselves and crucify Him. I ...[text shortened]... he Roman governor Pilate ? Or is the Gospel of John conspiracy personally aimed at harassing you ?
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How can a statement of straightforward fact be described as "bragging"?
So you make a truth claim of the straightforward "fact" now, that God does not exist ?
That would be interesting as you hide from making truth claims so as to not have to defend anything.
You know? Agnostic - Atheist - Atheist - Agnostic Combo.
So you now make a truth claim of the FACT - God does not exist ??
@sonship saidNo, I don't believe that there is no god or gods. But nor do I believe you have any information about "God" or that any creator being has revealed himself or his instructions to you or to anyone else.
So you make a truth claim of the straightforward "fact" now, that God does not exist ?
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@sonship saidYou are being disingenuous. You talked about people bragging that they could "without fear blaspheme the Holy Spirit". It is a fact that someone like me does not "fear" the religious-doctrinal thing you are talking about. That I do not "fear" the thing you say I should "fear" is a statement of straightforward fact and not "bragging".
@FMFHow can a statement of straightforward fact be described as "bragging"?
So you make a truth claim of the straightforward "fact" now, that God does not exist ?
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The folkloric account of the trial conjured up and written down decades and decades later does not alter this fact.
We have more textural reasons to believe that the writing of the NT was more representative to what Jesus said and did then we have to believe of the accounts of just about all other ancient figures in history.
First of all, the earliest writings of the New Testament documents are the epistles of Paul. Before the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were written decades afterward, Paul quite closer to the events told us in his some 13 letters just about everything the Gospels teach are the major events in the life of Jesus.
That God sent His Son, He lived a sinless and perfect life, He died a redemptive death, He rose in resurrection, He is coming again, He indwells by means of His Holy Spirit were all elaborated to us in Paul's letters at least 15 years after the death of Jesus in Jerusalem.
Now let's compare the close proximity of the Paul and the Gospel writers to the events being spoken to with OTHER ancient figures.
Comparisons of Ancient Texts.
Author - Caesar
Writing - 1 rst Century BC
Earliest Copy 900 A.D.
Number of Copies - 10
Author - Livy
Writing - 1 rt Century B.C.
Earliest Copy - ?
Number of copies - 20
Author - Tacitus
Writing c. 100 A.D.
Earliest copy - 1100 A.D.
Number of copies - 20
Author - Thucydides
Writing - 5th Century B.C.
Earliest copy - 900 A.D.
Number of copies - 8
Author - Herodotus
Writing - 5th Century B.C.
Earliest copy - 900 A.D.
Number of copies - 8
Author - Demosthenes
Writing - 4th Century B.C.
Earliest copy - 1100 A.D.
Number of copies - 200
Author - Homer
Writing - 9th century B.C.
Earliest copy - ?
Number of copies - 643
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New Testament
Writing - 1 rst Century A.D (30 - 100 A.D. )
Earliest copy - 2nd century A.D. ( c. 130 A.D.)
Number of copies - 5000 !
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John W. Montgomery -
“To be skeptical of the resultant text of the New Testament books is to allow all of classical antiquity to slip into obscurity, for no documents of the ancient period are as well attested bibliographically as the New Testament.”
― John Warwick Montgomery, History and Christianity
@sonship saidIf I did indeed say something along these lines, it would have been about me not feeling any fear in the face of torturer god ideology threats.
Just as long as you keep backpeddling on your guarantee "Well the whole thing means nothing to me one way or the other" ...
You probably misunderstood what I meant or are perhaps being dishonest about it.
I am interested in the things that get examined on this debate and discussion forum.
Do I think I am going to be tortured by your God figure after I die? No, of course not.
Your threats "mean nothing to me" but the degree to which they are morally incoherent [and how your "moral" beliefs distort your intellect, integrity and interpersonal skills] do have "meaning" to me in so far as I find them - and its effect on you - to be interesting topics.