Manny,
Problem is with the pre-trib doctrine is that we only see Christ physical return one time and this is at last Trump as Paul describes it. We don't see Christ coming secretly and taking away his super faithful then coming again later or a 2nd time. It's one single event. The souls seen at or under the alter in the book of Revelation are said to have come out of the great tribulation but probably for being faithful and then being killed for their faith during the great tribulation. If you notice they want justice and their told to wait a bit longer.
Manny
PS it ain't about being macho who would want to go through tribulation trust me I would pass if God made that possible
Manny, perhaps I was too hard on you in suggesting that you were longing passing through the great tribulation in some macho manner. I apologize.
I want to spend some time on the word
Parousia which KJV translates usually as
"coming" . Examining more closely what the word
parousia means, I think, helps to understand the events around Christ's return.
The word "parousia" states merely a stationary presence and is a "coming" only when it is linked with words which imply motion.
F. T. Bassett says "it is not merely
coming, but actual personal presence"
The word is sometimes used for a static rather than dynamic proximity.
" ... even as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence" (Phil. 2:12)
Here the word
parousia is simply concerned with a person's static presence rather than his dynamic "coming" with motion.
Likewise the Transfiguration of the Lord was not a descending, but a stationary
parousia -
" ... we made known to you the power and coming [parousia] of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we became eyewitnesses of that One's majesty ... we were with him in the holy mount." (See 2 Pet. 1:16-18)
The
"parousia of Christ" is the inspired expression of the Holy Spirit, is a expression of His presence in the immediate neighborhood of the earth. It is proximity "in air".
In
James, we have a similar situation when he speaks of the Judge that
"stands before the doors" (James 5:9).
The early rapture will take people up to the third heavens before the great tribulation. Christ will come in a hidden way and hover near to the surface of the earth. This proximity near the earth is part of His parousia.
You wrote:
Problem is with the pre-trib doctrine is that we only see Christ physical return one time and this is at last Trump as Paul describes it.
But you see the
parousia includes more than just that scene of His physical descent.
The presence of Christ in the end times, ie the parousia should include also the rapture of any pre-triublation overcomers to Him even to the third heavens.
"And as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, When will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming [parousia] and of the consummation of the age." (Matt. 24:3)
Verses 37 - 42 cover this
parousia of Christ also. More than the physical descent in
Second Thessalonians at the last trumpet is covered by the Lord's parousia. It would include early ripened
Firstfruits (Rev. 14) and a
Manchild (Rev. 12) taken to Him pre-tribulation.
For length's sake I will continue latter.