forgiveness of sin

Originally posted by KellyJay
So who is evolved enough to know good from evil among our separate societies?

In my experience, the vast majority of ordinary people.

Originally posted by KellyJay
So who is evolved enough to know good from evil among our separate societies?

In most societies, despite developing separately, it is commonly agreed (for example) that murder is wrong. This doesn't make it a universal standard, it just indicates the progress we are making as a species.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
In most societies, despite developing separately, it is commonly agreed (for example) that murder is wrong. This doesn't make it a universal standard, it just indicates the progress we are making as a species.

So there isn't a standard we have evolved into seeing that we all agree on? Next question should there be?

Originally posted by KellyJay
So there isn't a standard we have evolved into seeing that we all agree on? Next question should there be?

No to both.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I think human beings are evolved enough to determine for themselves who is good.

Says who, you?

Originally posted by KellyJay to Ghost of a Duke
Says who, you?

But weren't you asking Ghost of a Duke what his opinion was? And hasn't he now said what it is?

Originally posted by FMF
But weren't you asking Ghost of a Duke what his opinion was? And hasn't he now said what it is?

Curious that he ignored my last answer and instead replied to an earlier post he had already responded to.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Curious that he ignored my last answer and instead replied to an earlier post he had already responded to.

Ignoring things is one of KellyJay's most trusty rhetorical devices.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Curious that he ignored my last answer and instead replied to an earlier post he had already responded to.

Because it was your earlier post that contradicts your last ones, unless I'm not understanding
you correctly, which is possible. If we know good from evil, but we cannot agree on anything
what is it that we really know? How did our evolving help at all if that were the case, since
we have always argued about what is good and evil?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Because it was your earlier post that contradicts your last ones, unless I'm not understanding
you correctly, which is possible. If we know good from evil, but we cannot agree on anything
what is it that we really know? How did our evolving help at all if that were the case, since
we have always argued about what is good and evil?

I think I have been pretty clear on this. Different societies/civilisations will necessarily develop their own sense of 'right and wrong' 'good or evil' though due to the advancement of intelligence (which tends to go hand in hand with morality) there invariably is a correlation/similarity when it comes to the really meaty subjects of murder,rape, theft etc.
Bottom line though, man decides what is right and wrong, so it is hardly surprising (due to there being no moral law giver) that disagreements will occur between societies and individuals. That's just the way things are. We don't 'know' good from evil. We learn that for ourselves and that knowledge is always evolving. (Though again, when it comes to issues such as murder the moral standard tends to be uniform across the board).

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I think I have been pretty clear on this. Different societies/civilisations will necessarily develop their own sense of 'right and wrong' 'good or evil' though due to the advancement of intelligence (which tends to go hand in hand with morality) there invariably is a correlation/similarity when it comes to the really meaty subjects of murder,rape, th ...[text shortened]... when it comes to issues such as murder the moral standard tends to be uniform across the board).

So when you say we have evolved to know what is good and bad you accept that there is no agreement on what is good and bad? Even murder is debated when you look at ISIS and like minded people. This is being pretty clear in your opinion?

Originally posted by KellyJay
So when you say we have evolved to know what is good and bad you accept that there is no agreement on what is good and bad? Even murder is debated when you look at ISIS and like minded people. This is being pretty clear in your opinion?

I can only speak for the moral standard derived from my own society. I accept other societies may have a different moral framework. (Which I am free to condemn based on my own moral understanding - And them likewise).

Again, the majority of rational human beings agree that murder is wrong, but sure, there is no 'absolute' agreement on this. Humans are not perfect but we certainly demonstrate a more advanced morality than the wolf or common hedgehog.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I can only speak for the moral standard derived from my own society. I accept other societies may have a different moral framework. (Which I am free to condemn based on my own moral understanding - And them likewise).

Again, the majority of rational human beings agree that murder is wrong, but sure, there is no 'absolute' agreement on this. Human ...[text shortened]... perfect but we certainly demonstrate a more advanced morality than the wolf or common hedgehog.

Okay

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, I will warn you that God does not put up with sin, and those that keep that over God
will end up in Hell, and with everything I have read about it, it will last forever.

Forgive me if I should already know your views. Newborns are without sin, and if your gods say otherwise then I am their enemy.