forgiveness of sin

Originally posted by KellyJay... when God is looking for perfection. ...

Your gods are invisible. They are not here. There is the world, and there is us.

And we are of this world.

Originally posted by apathist
I never said jesus was evil. Bail if you want, under false pretense if you need.

You keep insulting the God I serve, it isn't gods, it is God, if you cannot keep the basics
together while talking why bother? There is nothing false about my ending this with you
here, your lack of respect towards others is enough. If you actually wanted a conversation
you wouldn't be so disrespectful.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I can only speak for the moral standard derived from my own society. I accept other societies may have a different moral framework. (Which I am free to condemn based on my own moral understanding - And them likewise).

Again, the majority of rational human beings agree that murder is wrong, but sure, there is no 'absolute' agreement on this. Human ...[text shortened]... perfect but we certainly demonstrate a more advanced morality than the wolf or common hedgehog.

After thinking about what you said, you are of the opinion that standards that have come
into being due to societies develop different moral frameworks, therefore whatever each
society brings to the table is correct *at least for them*? I don't think this is workable since
unless we someday become a single society than we will always be at odds, but this is
your view?

Originally posted by apathist
Why do you ask?

You said you agreed with the term, but do you agree to the definition?

Originally posted by KellyJay
...societies develop different moral frameworks... [...] I don't think this is workable...

Not "workable"? What on earth does that mean? Not "workable" for whom?

It's like a fan of American Football being confronted with the fact that there is also Canadian football, two kinds of rugby football, Australian Rules football, Association football, Gaelic football, and various others... and the American Football fan saying "Ha? Different kinds of football? I don't think it's workable!"

Originally posted by FMF
Not "workable"? What on earth does that mean? Not "workable" for whom?

It's like a fan of American Football being confronted with the fact that there is also Canadian football, two kinds of rugby football, Australian Rules football, Association football, Gaelic football, and various others... and the American Football fan saying "Ha? Different kinds of football? I don't think it's workable!"

If there are multiple gods put there you'd have a point.

Originally posted by Eladar
If there are multiple gods put there you'd have a point.

Well form the various perspectives of billions of members of the human race there are "multiple gods". So thank you, yes, I do have a point.

Originally posted by apathist
Your gods are invisible. They are not here. There is the world, and there is us.

And we are of this world.

You only believe in what you see?

Originally posted by KellyJay
After thinking about what you said, you are of the opinion that standards that have come
into being due to societies develop different moral frameworks, therefore whatever each
society brings to the table is correct *at least for them*? I don't think this is workable since
unless we someday become a single society than we will always be at odds, but this is
your view?

Workable or not, that's what we have.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Workable or not, that's what we have.

This is important, as I follow things as you describe them we are broken until we are united as one now? If so come Lord Jesus we are lost and broken with out You!

Originally posted by KellyJay
This is important, as I follow things as you describe them we are broken until we are united as one now? If so come Lord Jesus we are lost and broken with out You!

I would say fragmented, rather than broken. We still have a long way to go as a species, and perhaps one day we will evolve enough socially to be one society with a shared moral framework. (But not in my life time).
As a Christian though I understand that you view the world as broken and the need for Jesus to return to fix it. - It is here we part company.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I would say fragmented, rather than broken. We still have a long way to go as a species, and perhaps one day we will evolve enough socially to be one society with a shared moral framework. (But not in my life time).
As a Christian though I understand that you view the world as broken and the need for Jesus to return to fix it. - It is here we part company.

I knew we would, since I believe we are being held responsible for our actions, we needed both grace for the wrongs we have done, and healing to fix our brokenness before God and man, Jesus answers both needs. Some one who thinks all of this is as it should be because it is just the natural state of things why care?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I knew we would, since I believe we are being held responsible for our actions, we needed both grace for the wrongs we have done, and healing to fix our brokenness before God and man, Jesus answers both needs. Some one who thinks all of this is as it should be because it is just the natural state of things why care?

Things are what they are, but not necessarily what that should (or could) be. I have hope for the human race, including you sir. 🙂