Forgiving Murderers

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Who states that i do not wish to remain neutral, what are you havering about now?
Have you been smoking weed?

It was a typo. Here it is again:

So if, as Paul claims, "the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God", why do you wish to remain neutral towards God's"existing authorities"?

Originally posted by FMF
It was a typo. Here it is again:

So if, as Paul claims, "the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God", why do you wish to remain neutral towards God's"existing authorities"?

neutral, in what sense?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
neutral, in what sense?

in the sense you have been explaining on various current threads, for example the "voting christians" thread. You said, among other things, that "a Christian would need to take into consideration in what capacity he is serving the state and whether it complies with the dictates of his conscience, he could not serve with good conscience in the military, nor in a munitions factory by way of example. Again it is futile to draw any hard and fast rules, each Christian must be guided by his conscience in accordance with his understanding." Why would there be this dilemma for you if "the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God"?

Originally posted by FMF
in the sense you have been explaining on various current threads, for example the "voting christians" thread. You said, among other things, that "a Christian would need to take into consideration in what capacity he is serving the state and whether it complies with the dictates of his conscience, he could not serve with good conscience in the military, nor in a mma for you if "the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God"?

because authorities may try to enforce a stance which is contrary to christian principles, like, war for example.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
because authorities may try to enforce a stance which is contrary to christian principles, like, war for example.

But you have asserted that they "stand placed in their relative positions by God".

Originally posted by FMF
But you have asserted that they "stand placed in their relative positions by God".

yes, relative being the operative word.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes, relative being the operative word.

"Relative" here means 'where they are', the the position and authorities they hold, for which, according to Paul, they are "placed" there.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No it means that i have no way of knowing what governments stand in their relative
positions and which do not, following FMF's ludicrous and rather silly question.

You claim here that "have no way of knowing what governments stand in their relative positions and which do not". Therefore you must not know whether or not Iran was "placed in their relative postions by God". Correct?

Originally posted by FMF
"Relative" here means 'where they are', the the position and authorities they hold, for which, according to Paul, they are "placed" there.

does it, ok if you say so.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
You claim here that "have no way of knowing what governments stand in their relative positions and which do not". Therefore you must not know whether or not Iran was "placed in their relative postions by God". Correct?

If you say so.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
because authorities may try to enforce a stance which is contrary to christian principles, like, war for example.

Don't you have a principle that says that under no circumstances whatsoever can a life be taken? Is that one of the "Christian principles" you mean?

Originally posted by FMF
Don't you have a principle that says that under no circumstances whatsoever can a life be taken? Is that one of the "Christian principles" you mean?

Yes it is not loving to take the life of another.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes it is not loving to take the life of another.

But it's OK for the government to do it if it decides that it wants to do it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If you say so.

How can you know if Iran was "placed in their relative postions by God" if you ""have no way of knowing what governments stand in their relative positions and which do not" as you've claimed?

Originally posted by FMF
But it's OK for the government to do it if it decides that it wants to do it?

the Bible does not oppose punishing a murderer, whether its ok or not is a matter for
the government.