Forgiving Murderers

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
which period are you referring to?

The present day.

Originally posted by FMF
But it was you who stated that "governmental authorities" have been "placed in their relative positions by God". Are you claiming that there are some "governmental authorities" that have been "placed in their relative positions by God" and there are some that have not? If you refuse to cooperate with any government, aren't you resisting "authorities" that God has put in place?

No, the Bible states that they have, the apostle Paul at Romans chapter 13, to be
precise. I am claiming nothing, it was you who came up with the silly idea that i would
know which governments have been placed in their relative positions and which have
not, like i would know. Refuse to co operate, it depends in what regard.

Originally posted by FMF
The present day.

I cannot say without research and you can call it a dodge, but its true, i cannot do it
without research i am not a Biblical encyclopaedia, although my knowledge is rather
extensive, to be honest.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No, the Bible states that they have, the apostle Paul at Romans chapter 13, to be
precise. I am claiming nothing, it was you who came up with the silly idea that i would
know which governments have been placed in their relative positions and which have
not, like i would know. Refuse to co operate, it depends in what regard.

You claim that "governmental authorities" have been "placed in their relative positions by God". Are you content to be neutral and impartial towards ALL governments, including those that may have been "placed in their relative positions by God"? What other things "placed in their relative positions by God" are you permitted to treat in this way?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I cannot say without research and you can call it a dodge, but its true, i cannot do it
without research i am not a Biblical encyclopaedia, although my knowledge is rather
extensive, to be honest.

Well, in light of your admision that you "cannot say without research", I will repeat my question: How can you say that you neither endorse nor oppose the death penalty in one post, and yet state that you don't know what the bible says about the death penalty for cases other than murder in another post?

Originally posted by FMF
You claim that "governmental authorities" have been "placed in their relative positions by God". Are you content to be neutral and impartial towards ALL governments, including those that may have been "placed in their relative positions by God"? What other things "placed in their relative positions by God" are you permitted to treat in this way?

The claim is Biblical, please note that i did not author Romans chapter 13, just sayin.
Yes i am content to be peaceable as far as it depends upon me to be so. What other
things? i have no idea what you are talking about, not being telepathic nor having a
mind ray, hidden high in the hills in a secret laboratory.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am claiming nothing, it was you who came up with the silly idea that i would know which governments have been placed in their relative positions and which have not, like i would know.

Are you at least curious? God is, according to you, acting here on earth through some - although you say not all - governments. Is that not a highly significant belief that you have? How can me asking you about it be framed as being "silly"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The claim is Biblical, please note that i did not author Romans chapter 13, just sayin.

But it is you who has claimed that "governmental authorities" have been "placed in their relative positions by God". Are you backing away from the claim now?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i have no idea what you are talking about, not being telepathic nor having a mind ray, hidden high in the hills in a secret laboratory.

You "have no idea what [I am] talking about"? Does this mean you have not understood my questions and comments?

Originally posted by FMF
But it is you who has claimed that "governmental authorities" have been "placed in their relative positions by God". Are you backing away from the claim now?

I cited the verses ,from the Bible, which i did not author, just saying. Yes i am saying
that the source is Biblical, if i have given the impression that i authored this text, that
the idea was the product of my own originality then i retract it,m the premise is Biblical,
which i did not author, just sayin.

Originally posted by FMF
You "have no idea what [I am] talking about"? Does this mean you have not understood my questions and comments?

Yes you appear to me to be talking nonsense, you are asking questions about
punishments for death which to my mind dont seems to exist, what punishments for
death are you havering about, that might be found within the pages of the Bible, you
have not said.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I cited the verses ,from the Bible, which i did not author, just saying.

But you subscribe to those verses, right? You take personal responsibility for what you subscribe to and don't subscribe to, presumably?

Originally posted by FMF
But you subscribe to those verses, right? You take personal responsibility for what you subscribe to and don't subscribe to, presumably?

i take personal responsibility?, what do you mean personal responsibility?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No , because the Iranian government has transgressed the Law of Christ by
executing someone unjustly. There is a biblical precedent for this.

(Acts 5:27-29) . . .So they brought them and stood them in the Sanhedrin hall. And
the high priest questioned them 28 and said: “We positively ordered you not to keep
teaching upon the basis of this na ...[text shortened]... l authority and the apostles were under no duress to obey a
law which transgressed God's law.

Does that mean you disagree with Paul when he says, "the existing authorities stand placed in their relative postions by God" in the case of Iran?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes you appear to me to be talking nonsense, you are asking questions about
punishments for death which to my mind dont seems to exist, what punishments for
death are you havering about, that might be found within the pages of the Bible, you
have not said.

Well what does the "Law of Christ" - which you cited - say about the death penalty? If it is only for murder, as you claim, then you should be able to cite the particular bit of the "Law of Christ", surely.