Originally posted by @fmfThe goal is not for us to avoid pain and suffering, it is to be restored to God.
So you mean there is no pain and suffering for people who don't believe "Jesus is
the Way to God"?
If all you care about is avoiding pain and suffering it isn't love motivating you to God.
Avoiding pain and suffering is purely a selfish act.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThere either there is pain and suffering for people who don't believe "Jesus is the Way to God" or there isn't? And either people who believe "Jesus is the Way to God" avoid the pain and suffering that they believe is the fate of non-believers or they don't.
The goal is not for us to avoid pain and suffering, it is to be restored to God.
If all you care about is avoiding pain and suffering it isn't love motivating you to God.
Avoiding pain and suffering is purely a selfish act.
Originally posted by @fmfMy answer was simple and to the point, if it is beyond you so be it.
There either there is pain and suffering for people who don't believe "Jesus is the Way to God" or there isn't? And either people who believe "Jesus is the Way to God" avoid the pain and suffering that they believe is the fate of non-believers or they don't.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIt isn't "beyond" me. I get what you are claiming. I am probing at your rather furtive way of expressing yourself which either points to a basic incoherence in what you are claiming or you don't really understand what you are saying.
My answer was simple and to the point, if it is beyond you so be it.
Originally posted by @fmfJesus Christ took all of our sins upon Himself for us all, those that turn to Him putting their faith in Him are forgiven not for our sake, but for His. We have nothing to brag about in this it’s all about God’ Love Mercy and Grace.
What action do you believe your Christian God is going to take against your wickedness and "evil"?
Originally posted by @kellyjayForgiving you for the"evil" things you do is the opposite of "taking action against" them.
Jesus Christ took all of our sins upon Himself for us all, those that turn to Him putting their faith in Him are forgiven not for our sake, but for His. We have nothing to brag about in this it’s all about God’ Love Mercy and Grace.
Originally posted by @fmfThe Father sent the Son to become sin for us by taking on all of our sins, so He, not us, paid the price for our sins. In 30 years you learn nothing of this? He paid the price and without Him we stand before God guilty of every thing we have done, every evil word spoken, every thought and all those times that we should have done and said things and didn’t. 30 years man were you asleep in church the whole time?
Forgiving you for the"evil" things you do is the opposite of "taking action against" them.
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou're typing out stuff that isn't addressing the content of my post: forgiving you for the"evil" things you do is the opposite of "taking action against" them. Forgiving you for the"evil" things you do is NOT taking action against them. Address this.
The Father sent the Son to become sin for us by taking on all of our sins, so He, not us, paid the price for our sins. In 30 years you learn nothing of this? He paid the price and without Him we stand before God guilty of every thing we have done, every evil word spoken, every thought and all those times that we should have done and said things and didn’t. 30 years man were you asleep in church the whole time?
Originally posted by @fmfWe are forgiven because of the actions God took, I suppose you are still blind to that!
You're typing out stuff that isn't addressing the content of my post: forgiving you for the"evil" things you do is the opposite of "taking action against" them. Forgiving you for the"evil" things you do is NOT taking action against them. Address this.