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Originally posted by The Chess Express

Where do you think Heaven is?

Up, just as in your quoted verse. Or are you no longer reading them as they are, but instead editing them, contrary to your admonition toward the Reverend?

Why do the creeds assert the ascension (which is a big word for going up) as a defining tenet of Christianity?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
[b]Up, just as in your quoted verse. Or are you no longer reading them as they are, but instead editing them, contrary to your admonition toward the Reverend?

Why do the creeds assert the ascension (which is a big word for going up)?[/b]

The scripture indicates that Heaven is within us as I have shown. To ascend up can also be taken in a spiritual way. Heaven is above hell.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! Or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come into him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Did you miss my last post, or do you reject certain parts of the scripture?

Originally posted by The Chess Express
The scripture indicates that Heaven is within us as I have shown. To ascend up can also be taken in a spiritual way.

Can't "by man shall his blood be shed" be taken in a spiritual way? Why do you get to change the literal meaning of some verses, while prohibiting the Reverend from changing the literal meaning of others?

Originally posted by The Chess Express
To ascend up can also be taken in a spiritual way.

Did Jesus literally or spiritually rise from the earth and disappear in the clouds?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Can't "by man shall his blood be shed" be taken in a spiritual way? Why do you get to change the literal meaning of some verses, while prohibiting the Reverend from changing the literal meaning of others?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Did Jesus literally or spiritually rise from the earth and disappear in the clouds?

Well, like I said, the scripture is open to much interpretation. This is clear by the fact that there are hundreds of branches of Christianity, and chances are good that no two Christians will interpret the scripture in exactly the same way.

You can believe however you think is best. I simply try to make sense of as much of the scripture as possible, though not all of it makes sense to me.

The scripture tells us that Heaven is within us. This is clear. Luke 17:21.

The scripture tells us that Jesus blessed his disciples, made them understand, and then went to heaven after the crucifixion, this is clear. Luke 24:45-53.

The scripture also says that Jesus will enter those who accept him, this is clear as well, Rev 3:20.

So this is how I interpret it. If Heaven is within us, then that is where the Christ is. We just need to accept him.

Gen 9:6 is fairly clear as well. By man will murderes be murdered. Can this be interpreted in a spiritual way? Sure, hence reincarnation. This is the only thing (in my interpretation of coarse) that can reconcile the scripture and explain why God allows people to be born into such suffering.

Anyway, believe as you will. If none of this makes sense to you, then reject it. We all find out the truth one day. Peace. 🙂

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Did Jesus literally or spiritually rise from the earth and disappear in the clouds?

I find it fascinating that someone can claim to be reading the Bible without editing it and

1) Thinks the quote 'the kingdom of heaven is in you' is literal, while;

2) Thinks the ascension is figurative.

It just blows my mind.

Nemesio

Originally posted by The Chess Express


I can't help but wonder how you arrived at this conclusion.

Secondly, If you are a Christian you should know that Jesus never left this earth.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come into him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

First off, your post helped.

Second, Christ's ascension to Heaven in His resurrection body is clearly recorded in the Gospels.

Third, Revelation 3:20 is an admonition from the Lord Jesus Christ to recalcitrant believers. Unless, of course, in your JW knock-theology, you are attempting to use this verse to justify your religion's bent on bothering people in their homes with your nonsense Scripture game of Twister.
Just out of curiosity, how are you going to get saved if all you ever do is ring the doorbell, as the verse specifically says to knock?

Originally posted by The Chess Express
Gen 9:6 Whosoever sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed.

Not all murderers are murdered by man. Some die peacefully in their sleep. In order for this verse to be true, it is necessary for a murder to be reborn so that he/she may be killed by man.

Matt 26:52 Then Jesus said unto them, Put up again thy sword into its place; for a ...[text shortened]... that the soul is released again.

[b]Edit: There are plenty more, but 10 should be enough.[/b]

Sure, if you twist the meanings of those passages, they support reincarnation in a kind of hazy way. Are you suggesting that your God is so inefficient that he needs to send people back for what he forgot have happen to them in their first lives? And i do notice that you go back to that old great standby of Christian debaters "Turn to god for anwswers." I did, at one point, and found him lacking.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
First off, your post helped.

Second, Christ's ascension to Heaven in His resurrection body is clearly recorded in the Gospels.

Third, Revelation 3:20 is an admonition from the Lord Jesus Christ to recalcitrant believers. Unless, of course, in your JW knock-theology, you are attempting to use this verse to justify your religion's bent on bother ...[text shortened]... going to get saved if all you ever do is ring the doorbell, as the verse specifically says to knock?

Christ's ascension to Heaven in His resurrection body is clearly recorded in the Gospels.

And Luke 17:21 tells us where Heaven is.

Third, Revelation 3:20 is an admonition from the Lord Jesus Christ to recalcitrant believers. Unless, of course, in your JW knock-theology, you are attempting to use this verse to justify your religion's bent on bothering people in their homes with your nonsense Scripture game of Twister.

Jesus is specific. “any man” does not mean “recalcitrant believers” as you put it. You play twister with the scripture far more than I do if you can’t acknowledge this.

Just out of curiosity, how are you going to get saved if all you ever do is ring the doorbell, as the verse specifically says to knock?

Funny…you know as well as I do what that part of it means.

Originally posted by mufin78man
Sure, if you twist the meanings of those passages, they support reincarnation in a kind of hazy way. Are you suggesting that your God is so inefficient that he needs to send people back for what he forgot have happen to them in their first lives? And i do notice that you go back to that old great standby of Christian debaters "Turn to god for anwswers." I did, at one point, and found him lacking.

Are you suggesting that your God is so inefficient that he needs to send people back for what he forgot have happen to them in their first lives?

When was the last time you created a universe? 😀

And i do notice that you go back to that old great standby of Christian debaters "Turn to god for anwswers." I did, at one point, and found him lacking.

I’m sorry to hear that. God is the only place where people can get answers to these questions.

Edit: I just noticed that you’re a Buddhist. I’m surprised that you are so adverse to the idea of reincarnation. Are you part of a fringe branch of Buddhism?

Originally posted by The Chess Express
And Luke 17:21 tells us where Heaven is.

In the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man, where do you suppose
Lazarus was as he was reclining in the bosom of Abraham?

Nemesio

Originally posted by The Chess Express
[b]Are you suggesting that your God is so inefficient that he needs to send people back for what he forgot have happen to them in their first lives?

When was the last time you created a universe? 😀

And i do notice that you go back to that old great standby of Christian debaters "Turn to god for anwswers." I did, at one point, and fo ...[text shortened]... at you are so adverse to the idea of reincarnation. Are you part of a fringe branch of Buddhism?

I'm not at all averse to reincarnation. Christians as a whole have not had a sympathetic eye toward reincarnation, and I'm taking a stand against the co-opting of our ideas to fit your bizarre pro-murder stance. It does, however come as a suprise to me that you believe in reincarnation. Are you part of a fringe group of Christians?

Originally posted by mufin78man
I'm not at all averse to reincarnation. Christians as a whole have not had a sympathetic eye toward reincarnation, and I'm taking a stand against the co-opting of our ideas to fit your bizarre pro-murder stance. It does, however come as a suprise to me that you believe in reincarnation. Are you part of a fringe group of Christians?

Pro-murder... Where do you get off accusing me of that? For somebody who doesn't know the first thing about God you sure do blame him enough. Anything but look in the mirror right? Try opening your eyes and see what people are responsible for.

Originally posted by mufin78man
Are you suggesting that your God is so inefficient that he needs to send people back for what he forgot have happen to them in their first lives?

If you’re pro-reincarnation, perhaps you could explain to me why Buddha is so inefficient.

Originally posted by The Chess Express
Pro-murder... Where do you get off accusing me of that? For somebody who doesn't know the first thing about God you sure do blame him enough. Anything but look in the mirror right? Try opening your eyes and see what people are responsible for.

Originally posted by mufin78man
[b]Are you suggesting that your God is so inefficient that h ...[text shortened]... b]

If you’re pro-reincarnation, perhaps you could explain to me why Buddha is so inefficient.

Well, you do seem to support the killing of innocents. To some people, that seems to be a pro-murder stance. This is a hypothetical situation for me, as I am not a Christian. Buddhism is more a philosophy than a religion. Budda was the originator, and isn't responsible for reincarnation. I am not even really a true Buddhist, more a meld of Hinduism and Buddhism. Reincarnation is a Hindu idea, and you seem to be confusing the two. The "ineffinciency you state seems to reflect your erroneous view that I believe in all of those Scripture passages that you quoted.

Originally posted by mufin78man
Well, you do seem to support the killing of innocents. To some people, that seems to be a pro-murder stance. This is a hypothetical situation for me, as I am not a Christian. Buddhism is more a philosophy than a religion. Budda was the originator, and isn't responsible for reincarnation. I am not even really a true Buddhist, more a meld of Hinduism and B ...[text shortened]... o reflect your erroneous view that I believe in all of those Scripture passages that you quoted.

So first you believe in reincarnation, but now not really. Ok, just answer me this. Do you believe in Karma?

Well, you do seem to support the killing of innocents.

I don’t support the killing of innocents and neither does God.