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@kellyjay said
there is no such thing as good and evil, so it is all the same no matter how one lives, what is the measuring stick you are using, what is it that makes one better than the next, personal taste?
"There is no such thing as good or evil"? What on Earth are you on about now?

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@kellyjay said
there aren't any measurements no way to judge this is better than that without some standard that can be applied to all standards and judge which one is better or worse, or even say there are ones that are better than others.
Don't you have a moral compass?

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@fmf said
Don't you have a moral compass?
Mine says, "Don't pick on KellyJay."

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@FMF

When I was a teenager in the late 70s, I remember there was some discussion re: whether spiritual or technological development would "win".

I think there will eventually be a convergence, even if technology seems to "win" in the short term, because in the next century or so if we get to prolong our lives, modify our bodies, maybe even upgrade to new and improved bodies, that starts to look a lot like "who is the ghost in the machine" or "how that Carny X getting all that attention when I spent ten times that much on my new chassis?"

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@fmf said
Don't you have a moral compass?
Do you?

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@pb1022 said
Do you?
My content is more intellectually juicy. It's just what happens.

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@kevin-eleven said
My content is more intellectually juicy. It's just what happens.
You realize that post of mine was directed at FMF, right?

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@pb1022 said
You realize that post of mine was directed at FMF, right?
I speak from the Beyond to the sprouts of the Beyond, and to all stations in between. Got that?

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@fmf said
What you consider to be "moral logic" is nothing more than your opinion too.
No, I'm basing the notion of the rightness of heaven and hell on something outside of me, so it is not just a personal opinion. So far, all I get from you is you don't like the idea. I agree with the justice of Heaven and Hell. Still, it is more than just my opinion; it isn't any different than we look and see Bob is taller than Bill, by comparison, it isn't a matter of personal feelings if you have something to measure by, and so far your measuring device is you, and you alone. It is more challenging to hit the truth when you have something outside of you to go by than to say whatever I like; then, nothing matters but what you say.

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@kevin-eleven said
@FMF

When I was a teenager in the late 70s, I remember there was some discussion re: whether spiritual or technological development would "win".

I think there will eventually be a convergence, even if technology seems to "win" in the short term, because in the next century or so if we get to prolong our lives, modify our bodies, maybe even upgrade to new and improv ...[text shortened]... or "how that Carny X getting all that attention when I spent ten times that much on my new chassis?"
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@kellyjay said
No, I'm basing the notion of the rightness of heaven and hell on something outside of me, so it is not just a personal opinion.
Of course it's just your personal opinion that it makes sense to latch on to a particular religious mythology. You being drawn to that prefab package of supposed "answers" lies firmly in the realm of subjectivity.

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@kellyjay said
So far, all I get from you is you don't like the idea. I agree with the justice of Heaven and Hell.
If you can ever establish its moral justification, maybe I'll find myself believing the same thing as you.

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@kellyjay said
Still, it is more than just my opinion; it isn't any different than we look and see Bob is taller than Bill, by comparison, it isn't a matter of personal feelings if you have something to measure by, and so far your measuring device is you, and you alone.
Your measuring device is you and you alone, KellyJay: it's your moral compass and your personal decision-making and responsibility-taking attendant thereto.

You have your unique "nature" and unique conscience, and then there is your unique "nature", your experiences, including your exposure to religion.

Your measuring device is your unique moral compass: and if the Bible has helped form it, good for you. I hope it helps live a morally sound life.

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@fmf said
Of course it's just your personal opinion that it makes sense to latch on to a particular religious mythology. You being drawn to that prefab package of supposed "answers" lies firmly in the realm of subjectivity.
As I said, we all have personal opinions, but some come from just our feelings which is all you have been sharing, your distaste for the possibility that Hell is forever. In science, religion, whatever we study, people look at many things to find the truth in them; in our interpretations, we assert specific things we believe are accurate, we seek the truth. You have an opinion, nothing more so far; the only thing you have in response is you don't like the idea, which is all personal and nothing more. You add I have an opinion too, which is true; mine is drawn from outside sources, yours to date is all within you, and you alone.

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@kellyjay said
As I said, we all have personal opinions, but some come from just our feelings which is all you have been sharing, your distaste for the possibility that Hell is forever.
All your religious beliefs are just your personal opinions tied up with your feelings about what is right.