Originally posted by @kellyjay You think He did not die for them all? There a few people who he left hanging to die in their
sins and only wanted to save a select few?
Jesus saved one person from re-incarnating into this dimension - himself.
Originally posted by @kellyjay All sin is against God since it is done in His creation. Our guilt will not only be against
those here we sinned against, but the One who put both of us here, the sinned against,
and the sinner. We do things to the least of these we do them unto Jesus Christ, so His
taking on all of our guilt as incomprehensible as that is paid the debt for all sin. So ...[text shortened]... ur words, all of our thoughts, all of those
things we should have done, nothing will be hidden.
Where is the "justice" for the child who was abused?
How can any of this supposedly passing the "guilt" along to a supernatural being be framed as God "taking action against evil"?
Originally posted by @kellyjay The justice is that no matter what we have been we can be saved, a prison guard in Nazi Germany can go to God for forgiveness and that forgiveness is between him and Jesus Christ, not him and all the people he abused in his life.
So, according to your beliefs all the Jews who didn't believe in Jesus who were exterminated in the gas ovens then get tortured for eternity in "Hell" for not being members of your religion, while the Nazis who gassed them can go to "heaven" as it were if they sincerely believe they can "give their guilt" to Jesus? This belief of yours seems to have absolutely no moral content.
This is a non-sequitur and seems fridge magnetish too. The questions were Where is the "justice" for the child who was abused? Their abusers "gave their guilt" to Christ and then Christ looks on as the non-Christians among the children are tortured for their "evil"? Secondly: how can any of this supposedly passing the "guilt" along to a supernatural being be framed as God "taking action against evil"? Tackle this head on.
Originally posted by @kellyjay No words on how upsetting and mad this makes me. A friend of mine was nurse and quit because of things they saw, like a toddler found tied up abused. The depravity of man can be so evil, then compare that to what we should be doing, treating each other out of love. I like watching the soldiers come home when the kids don't know it is about to happen. The l ...[text shortened]... moments are what life should be versus this vile sexual perversions put upon innocent children.
There seems to me to be a huge gap between your ostentatious handwringing about this, on one hand, and your religious beliefs that pertain to it, on the other.
Originally posted by @fmf This is a non-sequitur and seems fridge magnetish too. The questions were Where is the "justice" for the child who was abused? Their abusers "gave their guilt" to Christ and then Christ looks on as the non-Christians among the children are tortured for their "evil"? Secondly: how can any of this supposedly passing the "guilt" along to a supernatural being be framed as God "taking action against evil"? Tackle this head on.
Originally posted by @kellyjay Unless they are churches, right you have no problem getting involved talking about their
beliefs. If you have no idea and are suggesting nothing, why bother? You don't have the
ability to even talk to the very scriptures you quote.
Why should I have a problem talking about the beliefs of the churches?
The Bible does not support your idea that Jesus died for all sins, in the sense that you think ie that the Christian will be forgiven for all sins or that Christ took on all the sins on his head. You are wrong. Paul said that if the converted Christian continues to sin he is abusing the grace of God and / or he is crucifying the Son of God afresh.
You are part and parcel of the false nonsense that is preached by the churches.
Originally posted by @fmf So, according to your beliefs all the Jews who didn't believe in Jesus who were exterminated in the gas ovens then get tortured for eternity in "Hell" for not being members of your religion, while the Nazis who gassed them can go to "heaven" as it were if they sincerely believe they can "give their guilt" to Jesus? This belief of yours seems to have absolutely no moral content.
According to scripture we become new creatures in Christ.
If you want everyone judged by their sins, we are all condemned.
Originally posted by @fmf If a child abuser "gives his guilt to Jesus" in order to get eternal life, how can that be described as God "taking action against evil"?
Well I agree with you that it isn't fair.
If God were fair we would all stand condemn with no hope.
Instead God took our punishment upon Himself and leaves it up to us to answer His call.
Originally posted by @kellyjay Well I agree with you that it isn't fair.
If God were fair we would all stand condemn with no hope.
Instead God took our punishment upon Himself and leaves it up to us to answer His call.
So you "sin", then you "give your guilt to Jesus", and you "sin" again and you "give your guilt to Jesus" again and you "sin", and you give your "guilt" away again, and over and over, and then when you die you have everlasting life regardless of how "evil" you have been, as long as you believed in Jesus? How is that in any way recognizable as "God taking action against evil"?
Originally posted by @fmf So you "sin", then you "give your guilt to Jesus", and you "sin" again and you "give your guilt to Jesus" again and you "sin", and you give your "guilt" away again, and over and over, and then when you die you have everlasting life regardless of how "evil" you have been, as long as you believed in Jesus? How is that in any way recognizable as "God taking action against evil"?
So you think that God’s grace should have limits for those that have given their lives to him? You believe we ask one time then it’s over, Hell is where we go? We give our lives to Him, He gives His Spirit to us so can know Him, follow Him and if we sin we again confess repent and move on. We walk with Him taking His yoke upon us learning all about Him. Shame you never knew Him!
Originally posted by @kellyjay So you think that God’s grace should have limits for those that have given their lives to him? You believe we ask one time then it’s over, Hell is where we go? We give our lives to Him, He gives His Spirit to us so can know Him, follow Him and if we sin we again confess repent and move on. We walk with Him taking His yoke upon us learning all about Him. Shame you never knew Him!
08 Jul '18 09:36
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