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Originally posted by @fmfIt is simple what sins did Jesus pay for when it comes to the world, all of them or only what we call the worst?
What "justice" do the abuse victims (that we were talking about) get if their abuser's belief in Jesus gets them eternal life while non-Christian people who protected and cared for them get eternal torture?
Originally posted by @fmfChristian churches have a very twisted and unbiblical view of justice. Their doctrine is that Christians who sin will be punished in the millennial period of the reign of Christ, and will enter the Kingdom of God [the New Jerusalem] eventually after being corrected. This doctrine is not in the Bible.
What "justice" do the abuse victims (that we were talking about) get if their abuser's belief in Jesus gets them eternal life while non-Christian people who protected and cared for them get eternal torture?
In the meantime the victim [and her care givers] if not Christians, will spend eternity in torture. This doctrine is not in the bible.
What the Bible says :
- Christians who commit grievous sins face a worse punishment than if they were not Christians.
- Victims and their caregivers if non Christian will be judged by the law written in their hearts, and by their works [Matt 25]. There is no good works that will go unrewarded.
Any other outcome to this scenario means that God is unjust.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayThe Bible says that Christ died for sins that are PAST. If someone sins willfully after accepting Christ there remains no more sacrifice for Sins but the Christian will face the judgment of Christ. Grievous sins will lead to damnation. Let me know if you want the references.
It is simple what sins did Jesus pay for when it comes to the world, all of them or only what we call the worst?
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Originally posted by @rajk999Christ died for sins in the past, so how does that work in your world?
The Bible says that Christ died for sins that are PAST. If someone sins willfully after accepting Christ there remains no more sacrifice for Sins but the Christian will face the judgment of Christ. Grievous sins will lead to damnation. Let me know if you want the references.
He died for my sins up to July 3, 1997 only? He died for someone else' up to June 3, 2013?
Past from what?
What are you talking about and how in the world does this work?
He didn't die for all sins according to you, some He left to condemn others for, right, wrong?
Originally posted by @rajk999Yes, referring to scripture please display in context so we don't have to guess.
The Bible says that Christ died for sins that are PAST. If someone sins willfully after accepting Christ there remains no more sacrifice for Sins but the Christian will face the judgment of Christ. Grievous sins will lead to damnation. Let me know if you want the references.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIts not about my world or your world. Its what the Bible says. I know that in the world of some churches they preach that all sins are forgiven and there is no such statement in the bible.
Christ died for sins in the past, so how does that work in your world?
He died for my sins up to July 3, 1997 only? He died for someone else' up to June 3, 2013?
Past from what?
What are you talking about and how in the world does this work?
He didn't die for all sins according to you, some He left to condemn others for, right, wrong?
Churches lie to their members all the time and you sometimes know that and yet you would sit there like a weakling and say nothing.
Grow some balls and speak the truth otherwise you are a complete waste.
Originally posted by @kellyjayPaul explains :
Yes, referring to scripture please display in context so we don't have to guess.
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:25 KJV)
Christi died for the sins that are past - the sin of Adam. The past sins of the believer
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV)
After accepting Christ the believing Christian begins afresh in a new life in Christ. Jesus forgives sins even after this point but it is not a forggone conclusion that all are forgiven as some believe.
I quoted TWO relevant passages. Your habit of quoting 10 irrelevant references means Im not going to read them
If you have a rebuttal then please quote one or two.
Originally posted by @rajk999You know that some churches preach...
Its not about my world or your world. Its what the Bible says. I know that in the world of some churches they preach that all sins are forgiven and there is no such statement in the bible.
Churches lie to their members all the time and you sometimes know that and yet you would sit there like a weakling and say nothing.
Grow some balls and speak the truth otherwise you are a complete waste.
Why don't you just worry about what you preach...since you have an issue with following
the scriptures.
Originally posted by @rajk999Are you adding to the Word of God?
Paul explains :
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness [b]for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:25 KJV)
Christi died for the sins that are past - the sin of Adam. The past sins of the believer
[i]For if we sin wilfully after that ...[text shortened]... ferences means Im not going to read them
If you have a rebuttal then please quote one or two.[/b]
FMF: What "justice" do the abuse victims (that we were talking about) get if their abuser's belief in Jesus gets them eternal life while non-Christian people who protected and cared for them get eternal torture?But for the children that were abused, how is it "justice" that Jesus' death 2,000 years ago has "paid" for the "sins" of the people who abused them [as long as they believe in Jesus and repent]. For whose benefit is this "justice"? How can it be described as God taking action against "evil"?
Originally posted by @kellyjay
It is simple what sins did Jesus pay for when it comes to the world, all of them or only what we call the worst?
Originally posted by @rajk999I agree with you that there are those that have tasted the Holy Spirit and turn back, they
What does the two passages quoted say?
go on sinning. We are called to Christ not to sin, if we go on living as if we were in the
world what changed? Those that are living as if they are in world, actually are within the
world. We should not draw back, we should not shrink away but push forward to
overcome.
You are suggesting these verses mean, if you sin once after you have accepted Christ it
would have been better had they not ever accepted Christ, so a single sin is all it takes,
you get mad call someone a fool or worse you lose out, you look at a woman and lust
you lose out, you condemn someone for something you do you lose out. You think these
passages are saying that? Just so I know, and all other scripture back this up?