Originally posted by @fmfAll the sins of the world or just a few?
But for the children that were abused, how is it "justice" that Jesus' death 2,000 years ago has "paid" for the "sins" of the people who abused them [as long as they believe in Jesus and repent]. For whose benefit is this "justice"? How can it be described as God taking action against "evil"?
Originally posted by @kellyjayTwo posts in a row you have sidestepped the content of the post you are ostensibly replying to. I am an agnostic atheist and I am asking you about your belief in this matter. Whether you think I am not telling the truth about beliefs that I no longer hold is a big fat wriggling red herring.
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This is why I think you are not telling the truth, Christian fundamental truth 101, and you
have no clue.
Originally posted by @kellyjayI suggested nothing. I simply quoted the Bible. Jesus decides how many and what type of sins are forgiven.
I agree with you that there are those that have tasted the Holy Spirit and turn back, they
go on sinning. We are called to Christ not to sin, if we go on living as if we were in the
world what changed? Those that are living as if they are in world, actually are within the
world. We should not draw back, we should not shrink away but push forward to
ove ...[text shortened]... You think these
passages are saying that? Just so I know, and all other scripture back this up?
All that mumbo jumbo you rambling on about .. I do not get involved with who does what etc etc.
Originally posted by @rajk999Unless they are churches, right you have no problem getting involved talking about their
I suggested nothing. I simply quoted the Bible. Jesus decides how many and what type of sins are forgiven.
All that mumbo jumbo you rambling on about .. I do not get involved with who does what etc etc.
beliefs. If you have no idea and are suggesting nothing, why bother? You don't have the
ability to even talk to the very scriptures you quote.
Originally posted by @fmfI don't think you have the ability to grasp any answer given to you. You supposedly spent
Two posts in a row you have sidestepped the content of the post you are ostensibly replying to. I am an agnostic atheist and I am asking you about your belief in this matter. Whether you think I am not telling the truth about beliefs that I no longer hold is a big fat wriggling red herring.
years believing the Christian faith, yet retain nothing of it.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThree posts in a row you have sidestepped the content of my post. The question is about your belief not about what I no longer believe.
I don't think you have the ability to grasp any answer given to you. You supposedly spent
years believing the Christian faith, yet retain nothing of it.
Originally posted by @fmfAll sins were taken on by Jesus Christ, He had the wrath of God put on Him for our sins,
But for the children that were abused, how is it "justice" that Jesus' death 2,000 years ago has "paid" for the "sins" of the people who abused them [as long as they believe in Jesus and repent]. For whose benefit is this "justice"? How can it be described as God taking action against "evil"?
everyone of them. What was done to the kids was also put upon Christ. All the justice
required for every sin was done to Jesus. So all guilt was given to Jesus, the sinless
made sin.
Do you understand this part so far? I don't want to assume you do, because I guess you
were unable to grasp it before.
Originally posted by @kellyjayBe specific. The thread topic is what it is. Your use of the words "justice" and "guilt" are incomprehensible. The "guilt" for the sexual abuse of children "was given to Jesus" so that the perpetrators could go to "heaven", so to speak, as long as they believed certain things, and this is "justice"?
All sins were taken on by Jesus Christ, He had the wrath of God put on Him for our sins,
everyone of them. What was done to the kids was also put upon Christ. All the justice
required for every sin was done to Jesus. So all guilt was given to Jesus, the sinless
made sin.
Do you understand this part so far? I don't want to assume you do, because I guess you
were unable to grasp it before.
It's not making any moral sense.
Here are the questions again:
For the children that were abused, how is it "justice" that Jesus' death 2,000 years ago has "paid" for the "sins" of the people who abused them [as long as they believe in Jesus and repent]?
For whose benefit is this "justice"?
How can it be described as God taking action against "evil"?
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Originally posted by @fmfLike I said, you cannot comprehend the basic. The word "all" seems to go right over your
Be specific. The thread topic is what it is. Your use of the words "justice" and "guilt" are incomprehensible. The "guilt" for the sexual abuse of children "was given to Jesus" so that the perpetrators could go to "heaven", so to speak, as long as they believed certain things, and this is "justice"?
It's not making any moral sense.
Here are the questions ...[text shortened]... hose benefit is this "justice"?
How can it be described as God taking action against "evil"?
head.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThis is simply deflection, KellyJay. The question of "justice" remains unanswered.
Like I said, you cannot comprehend the basic. The word "all" seems to go right over your
head.
Remember, according to your beliefs, a non-Christian who spent a lifetime protecting children from abuse will be tortured for eternity for his lack of belief, as will be the abuse victims if they are non-Christians.
Meanwhile, Jesus is somehow 'given' the abuser's "guilt" for the child sex abuse as long as the abuser sincerely believes deep down in his heart that he can indeed offload his "guilt" in this "supernatural" way [and as long as he repents]?
Do you not realize how utterly convoluted and incoherent all this is morally speaking?
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Originally posted by @fmfAll sin is against God since it is done in His creation. Our guilt will not only be against
Be specific. The thread topic is what it is. Your use of the words "justice" and "guilt" are incomprehensible. The "guilt" for the sexual abuse of children "was given to Jesus" so that the perpetrators could go to "heaven", so to speak, as long as they believed certain things, and this is "justice"?
It's not making any moral sense.
Here are the questions ...[text shortened]... hose benefit is this "justice"?
How can it be described as God taking action against "evil"?
those here we sinned against, but the One who put both of us here, the sinned against,
and the sinner. We do things to the least of these we do them unto Jesus Christ, so His
taking on all of our guilt as incomprehensible as that is paid the debt for all sin. So it is
not a matter of who did what to whom here, and who looks better to us among ourselves
since it is against God we have sinned. The justice is that no matter what we have been
we can be saved, a prison guard in Nazi Germany can go to God for forgiveness and
that forgiveness is between him and Jesus Christ, not him and all the people he abused
in his life. Those people who he abused in his life are all going to give an account for
their own sins before God, all our deeds, all of our words, all of our thoughts, all of those
things we should have done, nothing will be hidden.
Originally posted by @kellyjay" All sins were taken on by Jesus Christ "
All sins were taken on by Jesus Christ, He had the wrath of God put on Him for our sins,
everyone of them. What was done to the kids was also put upon Christ. All the justice
required for every sin was done to Jesus. So all guilt was given to Jesus, the sinless
made sin.
Do you understand this part so far? I don't want to assume you do, because I guess you
were unable to grasp it before.
This is patently untrue
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelYou think He did not die for them all? There a few people who he left hanging to die in their
" All sins were taken on by Jesus Christ "
This is patently untrue
sins and only wanted to save a select few?