Originally posted by RJHindsbwahaha, you are wrong. your neighbor is everyone. even your enemy. if you love only the one who loves you back, you are not a christian.
Jesus answered the question as to who is your neighbor. He identifies that one that goes out of his way to help you when you are in need. We Christians do love that kind of person and would not think of shooting him.
I am not gun-happy. I had enough experience with guns during my 20 years in the military to last me a lifetime. I developed a high-frequ ...[text shortened]... w, I am only a member of the National Rifle Association, because I want to protect that right!!
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Originally posted by ZahlanziYour telling me a man cannot defend his family if someone breaks into his home
yes, killing is called for sometimes. but not by civilians. if you live in a society where a civilian must defend himself and his family with guns, then you must ask yourself whether that society isn't broken and shouldn't be fixed in some other manner than "get moar guns"
and attempts to do them harm? Really, who made up that rule for everyone on
the planet you? Guns are not the issue here, it is the human heart, people will
do harm, and if you cannot defend yourself you are helpless.
Kelly
Originally posted by ZahlanziGood point. Jesus never once showed any hate to any human. He may have gotten upset over an "action" that a human may have done but he never retaliated towards any person for a fault or sin and certianly never killed anyone, reguardless of what they were doing to him.
bwahaha, you are wrong. your neighbor is everyone. even your enemy. if you love only the one who loves you back, you are not a christian.
But the second a person picks up a weapon to kill another human and actually does kill, God "WILL" ask back the blood of that dead one.
A serious fact that most do not understand.
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Originally posted by ZahlanziDo you really think one has to hate someone to shoot them? I pity you for having to undergo the distress of such ignorance. People shoot horses to put them out of their misery, don't they?
bwahaha, you are wrong. your neighbor is everyone. even your enemy. if you love only the one who loves you back, you are not a christian.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou said, "...why didn't the early Christians take up arms against their enemies?"
so persons who breaks into your home, armed, is not an enemy but something else, interesting concept, what are they, the friendly neighbourhood fun loving criminals?
As I read what you wrote you are saying we need to take up arms against our
enemies. This implies as I read it, I arm myself and go looking for them. You are
now saying that is not what you mean, instead you think it means if they come
into my home, and my defending my family is equal to taking up arms against my
enemies? You should be clear on what it is you mean, I've not ever said lets get
our guns and go looking for people to kill.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayyou did not understand me. of course a person needs to defend his home. has to.
Your telling me a man cannot defend his family if someone breaks into his home
and attempts to do them harm? Really, who made up that rule for everyone on
the planet you? Guns are not the issue here, it is the human heart, people will
do harm, and if you cannot defend yourself you are helpless.
Kelly
the problem comes when you consider that state of society to be ok. the problem is when the biggest power on the planet spends billions of dollars on wars and its military and on bailouts, but its idea of security for its citizens is to allow everyone to buy guns and deffend themselves. they disguise it under the second amendment just to fool the rednecks into thinking "i have a right to bear arms, lucky me", when in fact they are tricked into a false sense of security, they are being a poor substitute for real security, real police.
of course banning guns is not enough. i never said that. i just said that a civilized country defends its citizens, doesn't ask the citizens to do what is the job of trained police officers.
Originally posted by RJHindsi never mentioned shooting, you did, just now. the discussion was off topic and was about you considering worthy of your love only the persons who help you. so the great teachings of Jesus, love everyone, turn in your heart into "love only those that showed you love". which is hardly a bragging reason.
Do you really think one has to hate someone to shoot them? I pity you for having to undergo the distress of such ignorance. People shoot horses to put them out of their misery, don't they?
Originally posted by ZahlanziI've not argued that the state of society is okay! I think people by nature are
you did not understand me. of course a person needs to defend his home. has to.
the problem comes when you consider that state of society to be ok. the problem is when the biggest power on the planet spends billions of dollars on wars and its military and on bailouts, but its idea of security for its citizens is to allow everyone to buy guns and deffend ...[text shortened]... ends its citizens, doesn't ask the citizens to do what is the job of trained police officers.
sinners and will not rise above having murder in their hearts until God does a
number on the human race. Until that time this is a very dangerous world and
the helpless will be at the mercy of evil people once disarmed. There isn't enough
money for there to be enough "real police" to protect everyone all the time, you
must be able to defend yourself.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayThere isn't enough money for there to be enough "real police" to protect everyone all the time, you must be able to defend yourself.
I've not argued that the state of society is okay! I think people by nature are
sinners and will not rise above having murder in their hearts until God does a
number on the human race. Until that time this is a very dangerous world and
the helpless will be at the mercy of evil people once disarmed. There isn't enough
money for there to be enough "real police" to protect everyone all the time, you
must be able to defend yourself.
Kelly
and the way to do that is to make it easy for everyone to get guns.
Originally posted by ZahlanziIt is not that easy for everyone to get a gun legally in the USA. We already have laws that require background checks and such. Outlawing the guns will only increase crime like prohibition of alcoholic beverages did in the 1920's. 😏
There isn't enough money for there to be enough "real police" to protect everyone all the time, you must be able to defend yourself.
and the way to do that is to make it easy for everyone to get guns.
Originally posted by KellyJayNo, I'm pretty sure that was Jesus, lol.
Your telling me a man cannot defend his family if someone breaks into his home
and attempts to do them harm? Really, who made up that rule for everyone on
the planet you? Guns are not the issue here, it is the human heart, people will
do harm, and if you cannot defend yourself you are helpless.
Kelly
Originally posted by ZahlanziNo, I've not even asked for making everyone get guns, instead those that
There isn't enough money for there to be enough "real police" to protect everyone all the time, you must be able to defend yourself.
and the way to do that is to make it easy for everyone to get guns.
want them should be able to the rest can only rely on the fact no one knows
who has them and who does not. Unless of course you live in NJ I believe it is
where they published that information in an attempt to shame people I guess.
Kelly
Originally posted by galveston75Because it is a better weapon than a knife or club, I promise you if someone
Lol. I guess I've asked a realy hard question as no one has commented on it yet.
Why do so many use guns to do crimes with?
Simple question.....
RJH, give it a try.
were to attack a family with a knife or club a gun will quickly end that attack.
There are more knives and clubs in the world than guns.
Kelly