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@Indonesia-Phil saidExactly where in this thread or any other have you ever seen say disparaging remarks as you have accused me? Where in this thread was homosexuality even mentioned, again you have let your imagination run amok and you have let yourself ramble on without reason, again! I suppose if you don’t require actual reason to accuse someone you can spout off any time you want. When I do insult someone typically they know it and why, I don’t make things up as you do just to insult them without cause!
All I have 'come up with' are things that you have written on these forums. You can deny them 'til the cows come home, but everyone else here I'm sure knows very well how you regard homosexuality, and all because that's how your loving, Christian teachings tell you to regard it. Or perhaps you are learning to think for yourself, and no longer regard homosexuality as a sin? Please feel free to clarify.
@Indonesia-Phil saidThere is no justification for any Christian claiming that homosexuality is not a sin. Any Christian that does that is insane. The idea that Christians need to "think for themselves", and come up on their own what is a sin and what is not is ludicrous nonsense. You atheists need to stop talking such garbage. If you do not believe in God thats fine. Why do you care what Christians think?
All I have 'come up with' are things that you have written on these forums. You can deny them 'til the cows come home, but everyone else here I'm sure knows very well how you regard homosexuality, and all because that's how your loving, Christian teachings tell you to regard it. Or perhaps you are learning to think for yourself, and no longer regard homosexuality as a sin? Please feel free to clarify.
@KellyJay saidYour indignation is touching but not convincing. So here's a chance for you to put the record straight; do you regard homosexuality as a sin? Simple question.
Exactly where in this thread or any other have you ever seen say disparaging remarks as you have accused me? Where in this thread was homosexuality even mentioned, again you have let your imagination run amok and you have let yourself ramble on without reason, again! I suppose if you don’t require actual reason to accuse someone you can spout off any time you want. When I ...[text shortened]... typically they know it and why, I don’t make things up as you do just to insult them without cause!
@Rajk999 said'The idea that Christians need to think for themselves.....is ludicrous nonsense.'
There is no justification for any Christian claiming that homosexuality is not a sin. Any Christian that does that is insane. The idea that Christians need to "think for themselves", and come up on their own what is a sin and what is not is ludicrous nonsense. You atheists need to stop talking such garbage. If you do not believe in God thats fine. Why do you care what Christians think?
You make my point perfectly.
It isn't that I care what Christians think, the point is that whether it be Christianity or any other cult, archaic, discriminatory views regarding peoples' sexuality have no place in any modern, enlightened society, we should have moved on by now, and many of us have.
@Indonesia-Phil saidYou have no idea what Christianity is, as far as you are concerned it is just a bunch of rules that someone has to follow to make them a better person than someone who doesn't follow them, which is far from the truth. You either make up your own rules as you see fit claiming everyone has that right, or you live in a contradiction because you condemn others that don't follow your standards. When someone's rules conflict with you, they are discriminatory and not enlightened which suggests there is some scale you think everyone should be held by, which could not be true if we all made up the rules as we see fit. When you claim others are not as enlightened as you, you admit there is a set of rules everyone should be bound to, which voids everyone can make it up as they go, your very life is a contradiction.
'The idea that Christians need to think for themselves.....is ludicrous nonsense.'
You make my point perfectly.
It isn't that I care what Christians think, the point is that whether it be Christianity or any other cult, archaic, discriminatory views regarding peoples' sexuality have no place in any modern, enlightened society, we should have moved on by now, and many of us have.
@Indonesia-Phil saidWrong. Sexuality does have a place in modern enlightened society. Deviance is what has no place. Deviance is a perversion. Perverts are destroyed. Sexuality is governed by God, because God made sexuality and he made the rules. There is no moving on from that.
'The idea that Christians need to think for themselves.....is ludicrous nonsense.'
You make my point perfectly.
It isn't that I care what Christians think, the point is that whether it be Christianity or any other cult, archaic, discriminatory views regarding peoples' sexuality have no place in any modern, enlightened society, we should have moved on by now, and many of us have.
Sorry for you if you are a deviant or pervert and need to feel accepted. You are on your own. But I can understand your dilemma. You need to feel accepted and need others to say your lifestyle is not sinful. .. but sorry, homosexuality is a sin. Deal with it.
Religions does not change to suit the sinner..,, seriously where the F..k you got that from ...
@Rajk999 saidWhere did I say that sexuality does not have a place in modern, enlightened society? I didn't say that at all. If you're going to respond to posts, at least try to make sure that you understand what you're replying to, otherwise people might think you aren't very intelligent, and we wouldn't want that, would we?
Wrong. Sexuality does have a place in modern enlightened society. Deviance is what has no place. Deviance is a perversion. Perverts are destroyed. Sexuality is governed by God, because God made sexuality and he made the rules. There is no moving on from that.
Sorry for you if you are a deviant or pervert and need to feel accepted. You are on your own. But I can under ...[text shortened]... .
Religions does not change to suit the sinner..,, seriously where the F..k you got that from ...
The rest of your nasty little rant appears to mistakenly assume that I'm homosexual, so you got that wrong, too. Whichever particular part of Christian mythology you are indoctrinated into, it doesn't make good people, does it?
@Indonesia-Phil saidDo you think that referring to peoples religion as mythology, and making other derogatory remarks about religion, makes you a good person? Why are you desperately trying to get Christians to say that homosexuality is not a sin. What is the reason? Obviously you need support of some kind. You are a weak needy man if you want to hear Christians condone something clearly labelled a sin in the bible.
Where did I say that sexuality does not have a place in modern, enlightened society? I didn't say that at all. If you're going to respond to posts, at least try to make sure that you understand what you're replying to, otherwise people might think you aren't very intelligent, and we wouldn't want that, would we?
The rest of your nasty little rant appears to mistake ...[text shortened]... icular part of Christian mythology you are indoctrinated into, it doesn't make good people, does it?
@Rajk999 saidIt all goes back to the OP, which talks of love, peace, forbearance and so on; I was rather hoping that these sentiments would extend beyond the narrow confines of that which the Bible says it's okay to do, and I introduced homosexuality as an obvious example. As I understand it, according to the Bible, sinners burn in hell for eternity, therefore by definition homosexuals (of both sexes) will burn in hell for eternity. The bible was written in accordance with morals, mores, scientific understanding and so on which are now a couple of thousand years old, and the world has changed since then, beyond recognition. Nobody 'chooses' their sexuality, any more than they choose the colour of their eyes, you may as well discriminate against people who have blonde hair, and send them off to hell. Advocating love, peace, forbearance and so on is all well and good, I do the same myself, but within a Christian context, it doesn't work. That's my point.
Do you think that referring to peoples religion as mythology, and making other derogatory remarks about religion, makes you a good person? Why are you desperately trying to get Christians to say that homosexuality is not a sin. What is the reason? Obviously you need support of some kind. You are a weak needy man if you want to hear Christians condone something clearly labelled a sin in the bible.
@Indonesia-Phil saidNothing in the opening posts suggests that one must tolerate or encourage sin. Its a simple thing. Over the years you have been trying to get Christians to condone homosexuality. I wonder why?
It all goes back to the OP, which talks of love, peace, forbearance and so on; I was rather hoping that these sentiments would extend beyond the narrow confines of that which the Bible says it's okay to do, and I introduced homosexuality as an obvious example. As I understand it, according to the Bible, sinners burn in hell for eternity, therefore by definition homosex ...[text shortened]... ll and good, I do the same myself, but within a Christian context, it doesn't work. That's my point.
@Rajk999 saidI've not said that sin should be encouraged either, I've made my point, anything else would be repetition.
Nothing in the opening posts suggests that one must tolerate or encourage sin. Its a simple thing. Over the years you have been trying to get Christians to condone homosexuality. I wonder why?
@Indonesia-Phil saidThis is what you said to KellyJay:
I've not said that sin should be encouraged either, I've made my point, anything else would be repetition.
everyone else here I'm sure knows very well how you regard homosexuality, and all because that's how your loving, Christian teachings tell you to regard it. Or perhaps you are learning to think for yourself, and no longer regard homosexuality as a sin?
Here you are telling KJ that loving Christian teachings regard homosexuality as a sin, and that he should learn to think for himself and not regard it as a sin.
Obviously you want Christians to encourage sin.
Why are you being deceitful.
@Rajk999 saidI asked a question. If I were to ask you whether you liked bananas, am I encouraging you to like bananas?
This is what you said to KellyJay:
everyone else here I'm sure knows very well how you regard homosexuality, and all because that's how your loving, Christian teachings tell you to regard it. Or perhaps you are learning to think for yourself, and no longer regard homosexuality as a sin?
Here you are telling KJ that loving Christian teachings regard homosexuality ...[text shortened]... ard it as a sin.
Obviously you want Christians to encourage sin.
Why are you being deceitful.
@Indonesia-Phil saidYou have been asking people if they like bananas for years.
I asked a question. If I were to ask you whether you liked bananas, am I encouraging you to like bananas?
No, we do not like bananas.
Dont ask again.