Hate is easy

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
We evolved as a species. We did not originate from a couple in a garden. That was a story. This is a factual statement.

That being the case, there was no Adam, no original sin. The entire human race did not fall. - Another factual statement.

Stop clinging to ancient myths and catch up with human advancement. You're holding us back as a species.

You have no idea how we got here, your facts come from pure unfalsifiable theories that do not line up the universe as we see it in the here and now. So proclaiming your beliefs as if they were facts while being unable to show any mechanisms within life that could even remotely do what an unguided evolutionary claim had to accomplish, is just delusional on your part.

The narrative that comes from scripture lines up with what we see, in life the genetic code sets up life in a homeostasis balance due to what we can see and read in life, due to its syntactic and semantic information, directing processes! A designed process has no issues overcoming odds; however, that is not something a mindless goalless process is capable of, there is zero chance for that. There is nothing that chance and necessity could create but gibberish not some code across different types of molecules so that forms and functions appear.

Luck of the draw, when the information is so precise, is exponentially against it occurring. It isn't the evidence that you concern yourself with, it is the ramifications of being wrong, otherwise, you would have something you could show that makes forms and functions a possibility without just claiming there is no God.

@Suzianne said
And you haven't absorbed a single thing I've said.

You have accused me of several things without cause in my opinion, what exactly am I supposed to observe, it isn't like you have responded to my points. Except to insult.

@Indonesia-Phil said
So if your god judges us indiscriminately, and we're all condemned, what's to judge?

God judges us by righteousness, nothing He does will go against that or any other of His attributes from His goodness, justice, mercy, love, and so on. The fate of mankind rests in only one person Jesus Christ who took the blame for us all, so we could be forgiven if we repent and go to Him for salvation by putting our faith in Him. Outside of Christ, we have nothing, no belief system, no amount of work, no self-righteousness, no ignoring Him will do. Sins against God and man can only be forgiven by God who had to do it in such a way that forgiving a sinner wouldn't be unjust, through the cross of Christ He did that.

@KellyJay said
You have no idea how we got here, your facts come from pure unfalsifiable theories that do not line up the universe as we see it in the here and now. So proclaiming your beliefs as if they were facts while being unable to show any mechanisms within life that could even remotely do what an unguided evolutionary claim had to accomplish, is just delusional on your part.

The ...[text shortened]... g you could show that makes forms and functions a possibility without just claiming there is no God.

Like I said, you are holding us back as a species.

Edit: To be blunt Kelly, you don't listen, you don't absorb, you don't reflect, you don't reconsider, you don't learn, even when presented with overwhelming evidence that dissolves those ancient myths you cling to so desperately.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Like I said, you are holding us back as a species.

The only thing holding you back is you.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Like I said, you are holding us back as a species.

Edit: To be blunt Kelly, you don't listen, you don't absorb, you don't reflect, you don't reconsider, you don't learn, even when presented with overwhelming evidence that dissolves those ancient myths you cling to so desperately.

Please even your complaint reveals that you know that there is an up, a better way, which can only exist if there is an ought to.

If meaningless were the cause then nothing would really matter. We know that there is meaning that is doesn’t matter what one thinks solely because we can be wrong! You make judgement calls all the time that you apply to everyone including God, your very arrogant!

@KellyJay said
Please even your complaint reveals that you know that there is an up, a better way, which can only exist if there is an ought to.

If meaningless were the cause then nothing would really matter. We know that there is meaning that is doesn’t matter what one thinks solely because we can be wrong! You make judgement calls all the time that you apply to everyone including God, your very arrogant!

This post merely evidences 'you don't listen, you don't absorb, you don't reflect, you don't reconsider, you don't learn.'

I've told you repeatedly I don't believe in a meaningless cause, but you seem incapable of retaining that information.

Would it annoy you if I repeatedly said that you believed in a God that floated around on a white fluffy cloud, even after you've made clear you don't believe such a thing?

Let that sink in.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
This post merely evidences 'you don't listen, you don't absorb, you don't reflect, you don't reconsider, you don't learn.'

I've told you repeatedly I don't believe in a meaningless cause, but you seem incapable of retaining that information.

Would it annoy you if I repeatedly said that you believed in a God that floated around on a white fluffy cloud, even after you've made clear you don't believe such a thing?

Let that sink in.

Accept that you judge everyone according to your values and meaning, because you are the lone source of all meaning in your life.

Since that is true where do you get off telling others that they are holding you back, or us as a species, there is no meta narrative we all belong to according to you. It can only be a hogpoge of disjointed meaning each person comes up on their own!

@KellyJay said
Accept that you judge everyone according to your values and meaning, because you are the lone source of all meaning in your life.

Since that is true where do you get off telling others that they are holding you back, or us as a species, there is no meta narrative we all belong to according to you. It can only be a hogpoge of disjointed meaning each person comes up on their own!

When another poster tells you want they believe, try and retain that information rather than repeatedly providing an alternative version of what they believe.

It's a pretty basic thing to ask.

@KellyJay said
God judges us by righteousness, nothing He does will go against that or any other of His attributes from His goodness, justice, mercy, love, and so on. The fate of mankind rests in only one person Jesus Christ who took the blame for us all, so we could be forgiven if we repent and go to Him for salvation by putting our faith in Him. Outside of Christ, we have nothing, no b ...[text shortened]... t in such a way that forgiving a sinner wouldn't be unjust, through the cross of Christ He did that.

So we're not condemned then, make your mind up. Just another statement which contradicts another statement that you made a couple of posts ago. You really haven't thought this through, have you.

And by the way, you are holding us back as a species.

@Indonesia-Phil said
So we're not condemned then, make your mind up. Just another statement which contradicts another statement that you made a couple of posts ago. You really haven't thought this through, have you.

And by the way, you are holding us back as a species.

We are all condemned already that is the default position that can only be changed by God by Jesus Christ.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
When another poster tells you want they believe, try and retain that information rather than repeatedly providing an alternative version of what they believe.

It's a pretty basic thing to ask.

Thinking things through means taking the point and look how that plays out, which you don’t do with respect to evidence. Instead you declare what you think is true without knowing what mechanism could do what would be required.

Writing instructions means very specific tasks are done without wiggle room to do anything else, and a mindless process does nothing but give unspecified results when you are pushing mindless processes it runs counter to what takes place in the universe.

@KellyJay said
We are all condemned already that is the default position that can only be changed by God by Jesus Christ.

So we're judged after we're condemned. You really should work on your terminology.

@Indonesia-Phil said
So we're judged after we're condemned. You really should work on your terminology.

I have to agree with you here. KJ does not explain what the bible says clearly.

Here it is... Adam sinned and God promised to send a Saviour Jesus to pay for the sins of the world through his death. Adam is the reason why man is condemned.

All of mankind is saved from this condemnation caused by Adam, and Jesus reversed that condemnation for all people, not just Christians... therefore [and this is what Christians do not like], all mankind is justified by the death of Christ, and this is the free gift of justification Paul spoke of.

This is why when Jesus returns all men from all nations will be judged, by the same criteria because all people have the spirit of God in their hearts and in their conscience. All people know good from evil and right from wrong. Those who do good will inherit eternal life.

@Rajk999 said
I have to agree with you here. KJ does not explain what the bible says clearly.

Here it is... Adam sinned and God promised to send a Saviour Jesus to pay for the sins of the world through his death. Adam is the reason why man is condemned.

All of mankind is saved from this condemnation caused by Adam, and Jesus reversed that condemnation for all people, not just Chri ...[text shortened]... . All people know good from evil and right from wrong. Those who do good will inherit eternal life.

Everyone has the right to be saved, not because of themselves, but Jesus Christ. Not everyone will be, and only those in Christ are. If you do not believe you are condemned already, why? What is the state of those who do not know the Lord, Jesus was quite clear, depart from me I never knew you.

From John 3
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

You make no distinction between those abiding in Christ and those who don't, so what do you say about cowardly, faithless, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars?