@ghost-of-a-duke saidIt is a doctrine due to the Scripture, not modern spin.
Actually, you are putting a spin on original scripture.
Its called 'the Trinity.'
@kellyjay saidNo, it is a later intellectualized understanding applied retrospectively (and awkwardly).
It is a doctrine due to the Scripture, not modern spin.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhatever you say!
No, it is a later intellectualized understanding applied retrospectively (and awkwardly).
@kellyjay saidNot just me.
Whatever you say!
Arianism – Arius (AD c. 250 or 256–336) believed that the pre-existent Son of God was directly created by the Father, before all ages, and that he was subordinate to God the Father. Arius' position was that the Son was brought forth as the very first of God's creations, and that the Father later created all things through the Son. Arius taught that in the creation of the universe, the Father was the ultimate creator, supplying all the materials and directing the design, while the Son worked the materials, making all things at the bidding and in the service of God, by which "through [Christ] all things came into existence".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism
@ghost-of-a-duke saidOkay, and?
Not just me.
Arianism – Arius (AD c. 250 or 256–336) believed that the pre-existent Son of God was directly created by the Father, before all ages, and that he was subordinate to God the Father. Arius' position was that the Son was brought forth as the very first of God's creations, and that the Father later created all things through the Son. Arius taught that in ...[text shortened]... hrough [Christ] all things came into existence".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism
Got another question... The Bible clearly says that "God cannot die as he is from eternity to eternity." Does this apply to Jesus? If it does what happened when he was put to death? Was the trinity now just a 2 part (Jehovah and the holy spirit) or did the trinity being continue within their beings while Jesus was dead?
One more question... When Jesus was baptized and the voice from heaven was heard by all there and the voice ( who is Jehovah's ) said: "this is my son whom I have approved", what does this mean? It sounds like Jehovah is saying that " yes you are now approved", which would mean that before he said this you were not approved.
So the logical question now would be if Jesus is God and they are in some fuzzy way the same being, was Jesus on some level not approved of from when to when and to what degree from his Father Jehovah? It would seem so, right?
Again under the description of the traditional Trinity's meaning, they are equal on all things.
Please explain with biblical fact if this is explainable from the Bible.........
@galveston75 saidOne point at a time this one we seem to have to hit over and over. I'll get to the other questions you have; they are good ones. The same is not equal in all things, the Trinity does not teach they are equal in all things, that is not scriptural at all. The Father is greater than the Son, and the Holy Spirit, so in that, they are not equal. Where they are equal is that there was never a time any of them were not God, there was never a time where they have to become who they are! At no time did they turn into God from something lower in the God Head, they owe their existence to nothing God is self-existent.
One more question... When Jesus was baptized and the voice from heaven was heard by all there and the voice ( who is Jehovah's ) said: "this is my son whom I have approved", what does this mean? It sounds like Jehovah is saying that " yes you are now approved", which would mean that before he said this you were not approved.
So the logical question now would be if Jesu ...[text shortened]... al on all things.
Please explain with biblical fact if this is explainable from the Bible.........
Jesus did take on humanity, and the Word became flesh so that we could grasp God in human terms. He had to that for our sake, not His. He had to empty Himself to become a man so He could live and die as one of us.
Philippians 2 (ESV)
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
@KellyJay
This is from WIKI: The Athanasian Creed, also known as Pseudo-Athanasian Creed or Quicunque Vult (also Quicumque Vult), is a Christian statement of belief focused on Trinitarian doctrine and Christology. The Latin name of the creed, Quicunque vult, is taken from the opening words, "Whosoever wishes". The creed has been used by Christian churches since the sixth century. It is the first creed in which the equality of the three persons of the Trinity is explicitly stated."
I know you don't agree but that is your opinion of it, not the general description of it.
If they are different in equality, please explain.
"So the logical question now would be if Jesus is God and they are in some fuzzy way the same being, was Jesus on some level not approved of from when to when and to what degree from his Father Jehovah? It would seem so, right?
Again under the description of the traditional Trinity's meaning, they are equal on all things.
Please explain with biblical fact if this is explainable from the Bible........."
I still need a comment on this with biblical proof.....
@galveston75 saidBeing God they are One it is as simple as that, being the Father, Son, Holy Spirit they have a relational difference. Three persons, one being!
@KellyJay
This is from WIKI: The Athanasian Creed, also known as Pseudo-Athanasian Creed or Quicunque Vult (also Quicumque Vult), is a Christian statement of belief focused on Trinitarian doctrine and Christology. The Latin name of the creed, Quicunque vult, is taken from the opening words, "Whosoever wishes". The creed has been used by Christian churches since the si ...[text shortened]... is explainable from the Bible........."
I still need a comment on this with biblical proof.....
@KellyJay
Now where are the scriptures that say that? And please tell me about what Jehovah said to Jesus in that he was now approved?
@galveston75 saidNo comments on this?
Got another question... The Bible clearly says that "God cannot die as he is from eternity to eternity." Does this apply to Jesus? If it does what happened when he was put to death? Was the trinity now just a 2 part (Jehovah and the holy spirit) or did the trinity being continue within their beings while Jesus was dead?