@indonesia-phil saidI was only paying attention to the back & forth between myself and Big Dogg Problem whose response to my post(*) was completely inadequate.
The arguments are there, and are perfectly rational and succinctly put, you chose not to see them, employing the typically Christian ploy of avoiding difficult questions.
My post:
Usually, children enjoy the attention of the other students, and thus having allies who are entertained by their antics will encourage the behavior.
If the kids are not ignored by their own friends in this case, the teachers approval isn't that important,, IMO.
His response:
I presume you're not a teacher so your classroom experience is probably
a little less than mine and less than the educational psychologists who
analyse classroom behaviour and produce peer-reviewed papers.
Or maybe not?
There is not any actual engagement with anything I said but just an appeal to his own experience and authority.
Which is fine.
We all make blunders when we post, and in chess. If you are like me, you do plenty of both. ^^
@indonesia-phil saidThis is actually completely incorrect.
So, question is, do you think the bible is right to advocate stoning to death of homosexuals? Yes or no will do it.
The Biblical civil law permits the stoning of homosexuals. Leviticus was listing the maximum penalties for each law. For the bulk of these, alternatives are even mentioned, because it was just as often that settlements would be discussed.
Gary North covers the topic in his book Victim's Rights:
https://www.garynorth.com/freebooks/docs/2146_47e.htm
It is also discussed in the James White book, the Same Sex Controversy.
He even points out how often times homosexuals were pardoned:
homosexual. The rhetoric often flashes about in this way: “Oh, so you want to kill all the gays.” No. That would be unbiblical too. During the reign of Asa, King of Judah, he is described as one who “did what was right in the sight of the LORD. . . . He also put away the male cult prostitutes from the land, and removed all the idols which his fathers had made” (1 Kings 15:11–12). Asa received divine approbation because he removed the homosexual cult prostitutes. Notice that these homosexuals were not executed; as a matter of fact, they were not completely eradicated from the land. During the reign of Jehoshaphat, Asa’s son, we find him picking up where his father left off: “And the remnant of the sodomites who remained in the days of his father Asa, he expelled from the land” (1 Kings 22:46). Again, we see that they were not summarily executed, but over an extended period of time—through the reigns of his father and into his own reign—they worked on ridding the land of this sinful practice. Those who wanted to remain among the covenant people of the Lord were required to repent.
Two hundred years later, we find Josiah, in the midst of a reform, doing the exact same thing: “He also broke down the houses of the male cult prostitutes which were in the house of the LORD” (2 Kings 23:7).
White, James R.. The Same Sex Controversy (p. 87-88). Baker Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
I cannot actually answer the question yes or no because that is not how it functioned.
@philokalia saidSpeaking of blunders, I do believe you've got me confused with wolfgang.
I was only paying attention to the back & forth between myself and Big Dogg Problem whose response to my post(*) was completely inadequate.
My post:
[quote]Usually, children enjoy the attention of the other students, and thus having allies who are entertained by their antics will encourage the behavior.
If the kids are not ignored by their own friends in this cas ...[text shortened]... .
We all make blunders when we post, and in chess. If you are like me, you do plenty of both. ^^
@bigdoggproblem saidYou are right!
Speaking of blunders, I do believe you've got me confused with wolfgang.
My apologies.
@philokalia saidWell, if they used to pardon some of them that makes it alright then.
This is actually completely incorrect.
The Biblical civil law permits the stoning of homosexuals. Leviticus was listing the maximum penalties for each law. For the bulk of these, alternatives are even mentioned, because it was just as often that settlements would be discussed.
Gary North covers the topic in his book Victim's Rights:
https://www.garyn ...[text shortened]... te]
I cannot actually answer the question yes or no because that is not how it functioned.
Let me rephrase the question:
Do you think biblical law was right to permit, under any circumstances, the stoning to death of homosexuals?
I'm not asking you for more biblical quotations, I'm asking for your opinion.
@indonesia-phil saidBiblical law = Gods Law. Yes it is correct.
Well, if they used to pardon some of them that makes it alright then.
Let me rephrase the question:
Do you think biblical law was right to permit, under any circumstances, the stoning to death of homosexuals?
I'm not asking you for more biblical quotations, I'm asking for your opinion.
That law was the law that God gave to the Jews.
There is no requirement to follow that law now.
@rajk999 saidWhy is there no requirement to follow that law now?
Biblical law = Gods Law. Yes it is correct.
That law was the law that God gave to the Jews.
There is no requirement to follow that law now.
Let me answer for you; because biblical law (your god's law) is redundant.
We get there in the end.
@indonesia-phil saidYour answer is incorrect. You ask a biblical question and give the answer of an atheist. The correct answer is that Christians are supposed to follow the laws, teachings and commandments of Christ. The law of Moses is for the Jews
Why is there no requirement to follow that law now?
Let me answer for you; because biblical law (your god's law) is redundant.
We get there in the end.
Where you get in the end as an atheist has no bearing on Christians.
@rajk999 saidSo you quote from the bible to justify your approval of beating up children, then say that the bible has nothing to do with Christians.
Your answer is incorrect. You ask a biblical question and give the answer of an atheist. The correct answer is that Christians are supposed to follow the laws, teachings and commandments of Christ. The law of Moses is for the Jews
Where you get in the end as an atheist has no bearing on Christians.
@indonesia-phil saidGet those things tightened. You got more than a few loose screws.
So you quote from the bible to justify your approval of beating up children, then say that the bible has nothing to do with Christians.
@rajk999 saidSays the person who contradicts themselves with about everything they say, who fits their beloved bible around whatever they happen to think, but who still won't commit as to whether they think it's okay to stone homosexuals to death, and who thinks beating up kids is fine because their god says it's okay.
Get those things tightened. You got more than a few loose screws.
I know exactly what I think about acts of violence against children and any kind of discrimination against gays, would you like to borrow a screwdriver?
@rajk999 saidWhere are god's instructions regarding raising kids?
follow Gods instructions regard to raising kids.
(Certainly not in OT which you have said doesn't apply to Christians)
@philokalia saidWhat is your evidence for this?
Usually, children enjoy the attention of the other students, and thus having allies who are entertained by their antics will encourage the behavior.