Homo Christians

Originally posted by pcaspian
Originally posted by Nyxie
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I believe Jesus taught tolerance, I do not see his tolerance in these threads.
Nyxie

Who may I ask is 'intolerant' and why ? Do you think Jesus was also tolerant when he chased people out of the church with a whip ?
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Originally posted by Nyxie
Of course brother vistesd. I thank you for your welcome. I am afraid I had my falling out with the religious right some time ago. I will not take the name legion though.

I believe Jesus taught tolerance, I do not see his tolerance in these threads.

Nyxie

Originally posted by Nyxie
and of course you have the proper credentials to portray yourself as a biblical scholar? Please provide these credentials so that we may all better understand the "rightness" of your point of view.

Nyxie

No need to get upset.

I am simply stating that I've yet to come across a reputable biblical scholar that conceives the possibility that David has a sexual relationship with Jonathan.

Now if you disagree, so be it, but you would need to explain the obvious contradiction between Mosaic law and David's 'open' homosexuality. David, AKA "God's Beloved", breaks one of the few Mosaic laws that result in death, yet somehow chooses not to commit adultery, but rather tries to stick to the law by indirectly murdering a woman's husband ? God doesn't even seem to bat an eyelid at David's apparent homosexuality ?

It's pretty far fetched dont you think ?

Originally posted by pcaspian
Originally posted by Nyxie
[b]and of course you have the proper credentials to portray yourself as a biblical scholar? Please provide these credentials so that we may all better understand the "rightness" of your point of view.

Nyxie

No need to get upset.

I am simply stating that I've yet to come across a reputable biblical scholar ...[text shortened]... law by indirectly murdering a woman's husband ?

It's pretty far fetched dont you think ?
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Originally posted by Nyxie
Are you dismissing the biblical authors and their ascertation that this relationship existed?

Nyxie

Originally posted by Nyxie
No I don't think it is. I'm not upset, I'm seriously calling you on your credentials that make your oppinion better or more correct then mine.

So David was a man after God's own heart? It was better that he killed a man to take his wife, then to have slept with jon? This is sticking to the law? Murder is one of the ten commandments, not homosexuality.

Nyxie

Originally posted by vistesd
[b]I believe Jesus taught tolerance, I do not see his tolerance in these threads.

I agree; and for that I have been denounced. I have decided to live up to it though, in order to redeem the one who slandered me by making his slanders true (since I suspect he will not repent).[/b]

Originally posted by Darfius
When does the Bible claim David was sinless?

Originally posted by Nyxie
Of course brother vistesd. I thank you for your welcome. I am afraid I had my falling out with the religious right some time ago. I will not take the name legion though.

I believe Jesus taught tolerance, I do not see his tolerance in these threads.

Nyxie

Originally posted by Nyxie
I never said it did.

Originally posted by Darfius
When does the Bible claim David was sinless?

Originally posted by Darfius
You care nothing for tolerance. You care for sinning all you want and rejecting that Jesus is the only way to Heaven.

Originally posted by Darfius
You care nothing for tolerance. You care for sinning all you want and rejecting that Jesus is the only way to Heaven.

Originally posted by Darfius
I am very tolerant. I do not advocate slander of homosexuals. However, I do not advocate ignoring their sin, either. That would be hateful, not tolerant. It would be me saying "Yo man, I'm going to call you my friend, but I won't attempt to help you avoid hell."

Originally posted by Nyxie
No I don't think it is. I'm not upset, I'm seriously calling you on your credentials that make your oppinion better or more correct then mine.

Nyxie

Nyxie, I am asking you to find credentials from a Bible study guide, or a reputable biblical scholar. I have indeed read many study guides on this particular topic, so I know I am in the vast majority. I suggest if you need to , check out www.crosswalk.com, they have plenty of study guides.


So David was a man after God's own heart? It was better that he killed a man to take his wife, then to have slept with jon? This is sticking to the law? Murder is one of the ten commandments, not homosexuality.

Precisely, David, a man of God, would rigidly stick to the Mosaic Law. He would not be allowed to purposefully kill a man, however as many men died during war, he obviously sinned by thinking it would be ok to put this man in the front line (where his chanced of getting killed were higher). He may have believed he wasn't actually killing the man. He was punished however for this by God and undoubtedly because he was the King of Israel was allowed to remain on the throne. Had David however had a sexual relationship with another man, this would be akin to adultery, beastiality or any other Mosaic Law which resulted in death. To God these were 'abominations'. Now assuming 'homosexuality is natural' and affects 10% of the population, this would imply that there would be more stories in the OT about it, however this is not the case. Such an act resulted in immediate death, just as having intercourse with an animal resulted in death, which was a sufficient deterrant from committing it in the first place. There is no chance at all that David would be a part of Saul's family by 'marrying' Jonathan. That is simply unheard of.