Originally posted by robbie carrobieShow us where it is condemned by your religion. The quote you have offered thus far pertains to all extra-marital sex.
ok, then I am asking you seeing that you are determined to hide behind technicalities, how is oral sex a religious norm? you have not said.
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Originally posted by Rajk999it doesnt sit well with me, it seems kinda passively aggressive, you are willing to live along side homosexuality even though you think its a sin and you think they shouldnt be any discrimination against them but the minute they die its you back up the discrimination 100% and are okay about the fact they will burn in hell for eternity and you justify this because jesus says so, you are shifting all responsibly, in this life its up to the law makers and the rest of society, in the next life its up to jesus.
Those appointed to 'manage' society are the ones turning a blind eye the lawmakers, senators etc etc. My function is just to tell those who want to hear what the position of the Bible is.
Now even thought homosexuality is a sin from my viewpoint I would not have a problem if lawmakers [providing that is what society wants] allow gay marriages etc.
The ...[text shortened]... ves happy as long as they dont hurt others.
Christ will judge and separate when he returns.
if a right wing government gets in and passes very anti-gay laws would you go out and argue for their rights or would you leave society to sort it out themselves.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOral sex is completely normal to me. It was completely normal to me when I was Christian. And it has been completely normal to me. Does your religion condemn oral sex? Or is it extra-marital sex that it condemns?
ok, so now I am asking you independently of the dictionary definition, how is oral sex a
religious norm, you have not said.
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Originally posted by FMFI am asking you, independently of the definition i provided, independently of my
Unless it is specifically condemned by your religion then what could be the problem with it as a "norm"? Does your religion condemn oral sex, in and of itself?
religious affiliations, is oral sex a religious norm or is it not. I have no problems with it,
the matter is not an issue for me, it is resolved.
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Originally posted by FMFagain, this type of statement is irrelevant to anyone but you, i am asking you how oral
Oral sex is completely normal to me. It was completely normal to me when I was Christian. And it has been completely normal to me. Does your religion condemn oral sex? Or is it extra-marital sex that it condemns?
sex is a religious norm. What religious principles have you weighed in the balance to
decide whether it is normal or otherwise?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf it is not what you call "a religious norm", then you will be able to cite where it is condemned for not being "a religious norm". I understand and accept that it is your religion's view that extra-marital sex acts are not "religious norms", and we know this because your literature condemns them.
I am asking you, independently of the definition i provided, independently of my
religious affiliations, is oral sex a religious norm or is it not. I have no problems with it,
the matter is not an issue for me.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiewhat is a 'religious norm' seems like you are using a vague concept to deflect.
I am asking you, independently of the definition i provided, independently of my
religious affiliations, is oral sex a religious norm or is it not. I have no problems with it,
the matter is not an issue for me.
if your religion has a problem with oral sex then you have a problem with oral sex. unless you are saying you think that god is wrong about oral sex.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have weighed the dictionary quote that you provided and that will suffice I think, for our purposes here. It is rather revealing that, when that didn't work [I don't think you had read it carefully enough], that you now want to discard it and talk "independently of the dictionary definition".
again, this type of statement is irrelevant to anyone but you, i am asking you how oral
sex is a religious norm. What religious principles have you weighed in the balance to
decide whether it is normal or otherwise?
Originally posted by stellspalfiethe concept is neither vague nor a deflection, again, i ask you as i have asked FMF who
what is a 'religious norm' seems like you are using a vague concept to deflect.
if your religion has a problem with oral sex then you have a problem with oral sex. unless you are saying you think that god is wrong about oral sex.
seems reticent to provide anything resembling a principle, what religious principles
have you weighed in the balance so that your powers of discernment has led you to the
conclusion that its a religious norm or otherwise.
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Originally posted by FMFthis is where robbie drags the debate down to semantics to pull the debate away from the original topic. he's taking you down the classic robbie argument cul-de-sac, there is no way back.
If it is not what you call "a religious norm", then you will be able to cite where it is condemned for not being "a religious norm". I understand and accept that it is your religion's view that extra-marital sex acts are not "religious norms", and we know this because your literature condemns them.
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Originally posted by stellspalfieWhat sits well with you does not matter. Maybe you should read more carefully.
it doesnt sit well with me, it seems kinda passively aggressive, you are willing to live along side homosexuality even though you think its a sin and you think they shouldnt be any discrimination against them but the minute they die its you back up the discrimination 100% and are okay about the fact they will burn in hell for eternity and you justify th ...[text shortened]... ould you go out and argue for their rights or would you leave society to sort it out themselves.
After people die, their fate is in the hands of God. It has nothing to do with me, neither is it my [or anyone elses] responsibility. I have never said, neither do I believe, that people go to hell for all eternity.
Regardless of the kind of govt, and regardless of the laws, I would not bother to go out and protest in favour of or against any group in society.
Heb_11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Christians are strangers on the earth as the earth contains values contrary to that of Christ.
Christ will judge and condemn as appropriate.