Homosexuals in heaven?

Originally posted by Rajk999
I have lived long enough to see what you call the morals of society change this way and that way like the wind. My personal moral compass is guided by the teachings of the Christ in whom I trust, and which cannot change. Now that has nothing to do with society, in the sense that my personal definitions are irrelevant to everyone but myself. So a society whic ...[text shortened]... I can live within such a society without any problem. Their sinful values will not influence me.

are you contradicting yourself by saying its sinful to turn a blind eye and then doing the same yourself?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Blowjobs seem sexually immoral to me.

Perhaps it is your mission here to dilute and make nonsense of the meaning of "moral" and "immoral". This would simply be in keeping with your apparent 'parody' mission with regard to your purported religion.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Blowjobs seem sexually immoral to me. They are disgustiing at least.

does the same apply for cunnilingus? poor mrs hinds.

Originally posted by FMF
I accept what you say; in fact I welcome it. If I were a homosexual I would also accept that you would personally find my lifestyle and my orientation sinful. As it happens, I would - however - find your behaviour immoral if you actively supported discrimination against me because I was a homosexual ["within such a society" as the one we live in]. If - say - you ...[text shortened]... belief that homosexuality was sinful, then I would not be acting in a morally justifiable way.

I do not endorse discrimination or persecution against anyone. Sin is sin regardless of the type. Sin will dealt with by Christ not me or any other Christian for that matter.

Christ said let the wheat and the tares grow together and when the time is right he will separate them.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
its amazing that you admit you dont know much about ancient history or read much. yet you still feel confident enough to make these sweeping statements!!!

in biblical days men could marry children as soon as they were menstruating, id call that pedophilia, if you think that all men followed the menstruating rule to the letter and no man sold his daug ...[text shortened]... is also littered with acts of pedophilia, it was often used as a form of punishment to a father.

The word pedophilia originates from the Greek words paidos, meaning child, and philia, meaning love. A pedophile is characterized by sexual attraction to and maybe love for children. The first scientist to use the concept was the German sexologist and physician Richard Krafft-Ebing. In his monograph Psychopatia Sexualis, published in 1886, he defined pedophilia as a psychosexual perversion, open to cure. This was in sharp contrast to the prevailing religious and moral judgment on sexual relations between adults and children. To Krafft-Ebing, pedophilia could be caused by senility or other mental deficiencies. Around 1906, his British counterpart Havelock Ellis presented pedophilia as an extreme version of normal masculine sexuality. Currently, pedophilia is understood as a divergence of personality, caused by psychological damage in early childhood. This concept was rarely used in English before the 1950s.

http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Pa-Re/Pedophilia.html

Originally posted by stellspalfie
are you contradicting yourself by saying its sinful to turn a blind eye and then doing the same yourself?

Surely what he is saying is that he is able to live in a society that turns a blind eye to something that he finds sinful. I don't see how he can be described as turning a blind eye to it if he openly states that he believes it is sinful.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I do not endorse discrimination or persecution against anyone. Sin is sin regardless of the type. Sin will dealt with by Christ not me or any other Christian for that matter.

Christ said let the wheat and the tares grow together and when the time is right he will separate them.

As a matter of interest, would you accept a homosexual Christian worshipping Christ alongside you and settle for Christ making the judgement that you believe will be made, when the time is right?

Originally posted by FMF
Perhaps it is your mission here to dilute and make nonsense of the meaning of "moral" and "immoral". This would simply be in keeping with your apparent 'parody' mission with regard to your purported religion.

I am simply stating my opinion on the matter.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am simply stating my opinion on the matter.

It seems to me that the value of your opinion on such a matter as what the words "moral" and "immoral" mean just took a dive because you chose to blurt out the first tiny little attention seeking thought that was in your head. In so far as it tells us a bit more about who you are and what makes you tick, thank you for stating your opinion.

Originally posted by FMF
It seems to me that the value of your opinion on such a matter as what the words "moral" and "immoral" mean just took a dive because you chose to blurt out the first tiny little attention seeking thought that was in your head. In so far as it tells us a bit more about who you are and what makes you tick, thank you for stating your opinion.

are you ever able to objectively discuss anything with out some reference to the
persona rather than the arguments that the person is making, what does this tell us
about what makes you tick FMF?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
are you ever able to objectively discuss anything with out some reference to the
persona rather than the arguments that the person is making, what does this tell us
about what makes you tick FMF?

So you think oral sex is an objective example of "immorality" too, do you? RJHinds does. I don't. I think it is ludicrously subjective. And revealing. I think citing it as an example makes a complete mockery of a discussion about "immorality". Do you? I think he does it because he is lampooning Christianity. Do you think he's being straight up?

...the arguments that the person is making...

What "argument" did RJHinds make about morality with his reference to oral sex?

Originally posted by FMF
As a matter of interest, would you accept a homosexual Christian worshipping Christ alongside you and settle for Christ making the judgement that you believe will be made, when the time is right?

Yes obviously. Otherwise I would be discriminating.

Originally posted by FMF
So you think oral sex is an objective example of "immorality" too, do you? RJHinds does. I don't. I think it is ludicrously subjective. And revealing. I think citing it as an example makes a complete mockery of a discussion about "immorality". Do you? I think he does it because he is lampooning Christianity. Do you think he's being straight up?

I provided a definition of the Biblical term porneia which clearly stated that oral sex
is immoral, from a religious standpoint, that you dont think it is has relevance to no
one but you.

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states, for example,
that porneia means “unchastity, harlotry, prostitution, fornication.” It also says: “The
word-group [involving porneia] can describe various extra-marital sexual modes of
behaviour insofar as they deviate from accepted social and religious norms (e.g.
homosexuality, promiscuity, paedophilia [sexual abuse of children], and especially
prostitution).” Thus, porneia would include adultery (Greek, moikheia), and can
cover a broader range of other immoral practices outside marriage, such as oral or
anal sex and bestiality.

Originally posted by FMF
Surely what he is saying is that he is able to live in a society that turns a blind eye to something that he finds sinful. I don't see how he can be described as turning a blind eye to it if he openly states that he believes it is sinful.

for society to turn a blind eye they would be accepting that there is a problem with homosexuality but ignoring this fact. as society doesnt think like this then they cannot be described as turning a blind eye. the only people who can turn a blind eye are people who think that homosexuality is bad but then choose to ignore that fact.

i can see why you respected his opinion as it leads to a more peaceful world if people keep their prejudices to themselves. i do find it deeply disturbing that a gay guy might be chatting to somebody who they think is being nice and friendly but inside their head the person is thinking 'this guy is gonna burn in hell for being sinner'. a hidden prejudice could be far worse than one you can see.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The word pedophilia originates from the Greek words paidos, meaning child, and philia, meaning love. A pedophile is characterized by sexual attraction to and maybe love for children. The first scientist to use the concept was the German sexologist and physician Richard Krafft-Ebing. In his monograph Psychopatia Sexualis, published in 1886, he defined pedophi ...[text shortened]... rarely used in English before the 1950s.

http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Pa-Re/Pedophilia.html

a description of what pedophilia is, thanks for clearing that up, im sure some of us thought it was a hemorrhoid cream.