07 Aug 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYour dictionary talks about how "porneia" "can" mean this and "can" mean that about "extra-marital" acts. it also quite explicitly is talking about "immoral practices outside marriage". Is that enough for you to condemn it when practised by married people?
I provided a definition of the Biblical term porneia which clearly stated that oral sex
is immoral, from a religious standpoint, that you dont think it is has relevance to no
one but you.
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states, for example,
that porneia means “unchastity, harlotry, prostitution, fornication.” It al ...[text shortened]... er range of other immoral practices outside marriage, such as oral or
anal sex and bestiality.
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07 Aug 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieis oral sex immoral for both sexes. i can understand the waste of gods seeds male oral sex could be deemed. but i cant see how oral sex for woman causes any moral issues, if anything it helps procreation.
I provided a definition of the Biblical term porneia which clearly stated that oral sex
is immoral, from a religious standpoint, that you dont think it is has relevance to no
one but you.
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states, for example,
that porneia means “unchastity, harlotry, prostitution, fornication.” It al ...[text shortened]... er range of other immoral practices outside marriage, such as oral or
anal sex and bestiality.
07 Aug 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieagain this type of statement has relevance to no one but you.
is oral sex immoral for both sexes. i can understand the waste of gods seeds male oral sex could be deemed. but i cant see how oral sex for woman causes any moral issues, if anything it helps procreation.
07 Aug 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo I really? The excerpt explicitly talks about "immoral practices outside marriage". Is that enough for oral sex to be condemned carte blanche in and of itself as an immoral act?
You seem to have trouble with this excerpt here...
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiei would imagine its pretty damn important to christian woman. i bet they want some clarity on if its okay for them to receive.
again this type of statement has relevance to no one but you.
i can understand why my wife is a militant athiest now.
i think ill tell my single friends to hang out in churches there must be some pretty frustrated christian housewives looking for a release.
07 Aug 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieThose appointed to 'manage' society are the ones turning a blind eye the lawmakers, senators etc etc. My function is just to tell those who want to hear what the position of the Bible is.
are you contradicting yourself by saying its sinful to turn a blind eye and then doing the same yourself?
Now even thought homosexuality is a sin from my viewpoint I would not have a problem if lawmakers [providing that is what society wants] allow gay marriages etc.
The whole purpose of the life is for people to have a fulfilling and happy existence while they are here on earth. The Christian should not expect all the world to believe in Christ far less to follow his commandments. I expect people to do whatever they need to do the make themselves happy as long as they dont hurt others.
Christ will judge and separate when he returns.
07 Aug 12
Originally posted by FMFit also states those which are not the religious norm whether inside or outside of
Do I really? The excerpt explicitly talks about "immoral practices outside marriage". Is that enough for oral sex to be condemned carte blanche in and of itself as an immoral act?
marraige, AGAIN, how is oral sex a religious norm, you have not said.
07 Aug 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states, for example, that porneia means “unchastity, harlotry, prostitution, fornication.” It also says: “The word-group [involving porneia] can describe various extra-marital sexual modes of behaviour insofar as they deviate from accepted social and religious norms (e.g. homosexuality, promiscuity, paedophilia [sexual abuse of children], and especially prostitution).” Thus, porneia would include adultery (Greek, moikheia), and can cover a broader range of other immoral practices outside marriage, such as oral or anal sex and bestiality.
it also states those which are not the religious norm whether inside or outside of
marraige, AGAIN, how is oral sex a religious norm, you have not said.
Your dictionary quote does not back your assertions that oral sex is "immoral" in and of itself. Your dictionary quote only substantiates the assertion that modes of sexual behaviour that are "extra-marital" i.e. "outside marriage" are.
07 Aug 12
Originally posted by FMFwhether they are extra marital or not is not the point, again, how is oral sex a religious norm, you have not said.
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states, for example, that [b]porneia means “unchastity, harlotry, prostitution, fornication.” It also says: “The word-group [involving porneia] can describe various extra-marital sexual modes of behaviour insofar as they deviate from accepted social and religious norms (e.g. homosexuality, promiscuit ...[text shortened]... rtion that modes of sexual behaviour that are "extra-marital" i.e. "outside marriage" are.[/b]
07 Aug 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are mistaken. Your dictionary quote does not say anything about oral sex "inside" of marriage. Read your own dictionary quote again.
it also states those which are not the religious norm whether inside or outside of
marraige, AGAIN, how is oral sex a religious norm, you have not said.
07 Aug 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYour quote only substantiates an assertion that sexual acts that are "extra-marital" are immoral. Oral sex is perfectly normal sexual behaviour and your quote says nothing to rebutt this.
whether they are extra marital or not is not the point, again, how is oral sex a religious norm, you have not said.
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Originally posted by FMFok, then I am asking you seeing that you are determined to hide behind technicalities, how is oral sex a religious norm? you have not said.
Your quote only substantiates an assertion that sexual acts that are "extra-marital" are immoral. Oral sex is perfectly normal sexual behaviour and your quote says nothing to rebutt this.