-Removed-There is no forgiveness without repentance. Not a "Sunday School" concept of repentance, but true repentance with the standard given by God in the following:
Ezekiel 18
21“But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. 22None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them.
27But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life. 28Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die. 29Yet the Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Are my ways unjust, people of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 30“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? 32For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!
The gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry is consistent with this standard of repentance.
With this standard of repentance an individual truly has "a new heart and a new spirit". The former person has died and ceases to exist. Basically the person has been "born again" and is a different person. The new person can and should be viewed as just that - new and different. And "None of the offenses they have committed [should] be remembered against them."
The above is consistent with the the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
I fully understand that it is antithetical to the "gospel" that you and many Christians believe. You and they believe in the "gospel" about Jesus Christ. You and they believe in that gospel because it is self-serving to do so.
Originally posted by @rajk999Well quote the passage and let’s look at it.
You dont stand on their word. You are misrepresenting their word.
Paul told born again Christian Saints who are saved [like you], that they would not get eternal life in the Kingdom of God unless they lived righteously, avoided sin and do good works.
So clearly saved is not equal to eternal life.
-Removed-The gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry is a logical extension of the concepts set forth by God in Ezekiel 18.
For example:
John 8
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
31 ...“If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
35“The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
51Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”
Only those who have been made free from committing sin will "remain in the house forever", "will never see death" - in other words have eternal life.
Those who have not been made free from committing sin will not have eternal life - they will die.
Jesus even went so far as to quote God from Ezekiel 18 here:
Matthew 16
27“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.
And echoes that concept here:
John 5
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Do you think that the above does not parallel and then logically extend the concepts set forth by God in Ezekiel 18? If so, how?
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-Removed-You seemed to have missed the point.
But to be fair I suppose that the following taken out of context might have been confusing to you:
"The gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry is a logical extension of the concepts set forth by God in Ezekiel 18. "
Perhaps I should have been more explicit and have written:
"The gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry CONTAINS a logical extension of the concepts set forth by God in Ezekiel 18. "
Do you think that what I presented in my previous post does not parallel and then logically extend the concepts set forth by God in Ezekiel 18? If so, how?
Originally posted by @rajk999So apparently, you have no belief in anything written in the Bible.
Let me simplify this. There is no such thing as
salvation by faith
salvation by works
Those are your classifications and they mean nothing to Christ.
I have never used those expressions. They are nonsense.
Salvation or eternal life is through Jesus Christ.
This means that it is Jesus Christ who decides who gets eternal life.
I await the judgement of Christ
You apparently already have it.
Good to know, although not for you.