Originally posted by sonhouse"The situation we find ourselves in on the planet pretty much proves that" left to ourselves we can pretty well screw things up.
Humans have the most extraordinary ability to imagine they are so self-important, above all the rest of the life on the planet, that they and they alone have a line to some god which they themselves invented. Where does such egotistical and obsessive behavior arise?
Such self-delusionality robs us of badly needed intelligence. The situation we find ourselv ...[text shortened]... on some invisible and useless god and get on with making things better using our own inititive.
"Such self-delutionality robs 'you' of badly needed" logic.
We ARE above all the rest of life on the planet.
Originally posted by Zander 88You're a nature worshiper.
"Human ingenuity may make various inventions, but it will never devise an invention more beautiful, nor more simple, nor more to the purpose than Nature does, because in her inventions nothing is wanting and nothing is superflous."
--Leonardo Da Vinci
What I take from this quote and how I think it pertain to the current discussion is that we should ...[text shortened]... rstand them to better understand ourselves, and then, become a better human. That is our gift.
Originally posted by josephwUmmm... what is your point? We are nature. We are of flesh and blood, we die and live, and most importantly, exist. What sets us apart from other living creatures? A soul? The fact that God says we are special? And why would you believe such a thing when there is nothing to prove such a claim? Seriously, just because we have dominance over all other animals doesn't make us any different, or better, than them.
You're a nature worshiper.
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Originally posted by josephwDon't make blanket statements like "I'm thinking as a species we are superior in every way." + "In every conceivable way."
You're straining at a gnat and swallowing the camel.
Giving any examples that counter this undermines the word 'every', making it wrong.
Originally posted by Zander 88Nature-the particular combination of qualities belonging to a person or thing by birth or constitution; native or inherent character:
Ummm... what is your point? We are nature. We are of flesh and blood, we die and live, and most importantly, exist. What sets us apart from other living creatures? A soul? The fact that God says we are special? And why would you believe such a thing when there is nothing to prove such a claim? Seriously, just because we have dominance over all other animals doesn't make us any different, or better, than them.
We are not nature. We see nature in the things around us.
Whether there is a God or not, by virtue of the fact that we are dominant makes us very much different and better than the animals.
That is why we are accountable for them.
Originally posted by Bad wolfAdmit defeat. You'll feel better!
Don't make blanket statements like "I'm thinking as a species we are superior in every way." + "In every conceivable way."
Giving any examples that counter this undermines the word 'every', making it wrong.
And whatever you do don't take this silly debate so seriously. In the larger scheme of things it doesn't add up to a hill of beans anyway. 😉
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Originally posted by josephwI like to think that Humans are part of nature, part of the ecosystem, damaging the ecosystem will ultimately damage us: and that is why I think we should take care of it.
Nature-the particular combination of qualities belonging to a person or thing by birth or constitution; native or inherent character:
We are not nature. We see nature in the things around us.
Whether there is a God or not, by virtue of the fact that we are dominant makes us very much different and better than the animals.
That is why we are accountable for them.
We are stewards to it.
I think it is very important to recognise that, yes we are very different than animals, and in many ways we are better than them, but also, in many other ways, they are better than us, better at doing certain things better than us (for the moment).
Damaging the ecosystem would damage our ability to learn from their intriguing abilities and use technology to replicate this, and maybe further build upon it.