Humans are egotistical when it comes to god.

Originally posted by howardgee
More flim-flam from the master of nonsense.

Do you accept that humans tend to kill each other far more than other animals kill each other?

I accept that humans do much more than kill each other, and at the
same time I can say when a human does to another, that they
are doing something wrong, bad, and or evil. When an animal does it
to another animal I do not call that evil, but simply an animal acting
as an animal acts.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I can say when a human does to another, that they
are doing something wrong, bad, and or evil.

Not always.

As I say, if we have more emotion about it than other animals (and animals do get stressed about doing "bad things" ) it's just because we have a larger cognitive capacity, nothing more.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Not always.

As I say, if we have more emotion about it than other animals (and animals do get stressed about doing "bad things" ) it's just because we have a larger cognitive capacity, nothing more.

Are you saying that when a loin kills and eats a zebra has some
remorse for killing it? I don't think it is dealing with any emotional
baggage for that.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Are you saying that when a loin kills and eats a zebra has some
remorse for killing it? I don't think it is dealing with any emotional
baggage for that.
Kelly

Once again, you show your lack of logical ability.

The argument was about animals and humans killing their own species. Then you go and disregard this, and give an example of an animal killing another type of animal. This is irrelevant.
Of course, when animals eat other types of animals, it is in order to survive, just like when we eat sheep, cows, etc.

Back to your original point concerning remorse, I didn't notice too much remorse from Hitler, Stalin, Ide Amin, Mugabe, Sadam Hussein, etc.
Again, your rubbish about us showing more remorse than other animals for intra-species killing sprees, merely demonstrates your ignorance and illustrates the author's original claim that "Humans are egotistical when it comes to God!"

Originally posted by KellyJay
Are you saying that when a loin kills and eats a zebra has some
remorse for killing it? I don't think it is dealing with any emotional
baggage for that.
Kelly

No. And neither, very quickly, would you when killing a sheep.

However, when chimps do bad things like stealing (they are social animals too) then they show signs of knowing it's a bad thing to do. It only works in social animals, and only in those exhibiting self awareness.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
No. And neither, very quickly, would you when killing a sheep.

However, when chimps do bad things like stealing (they are social animals too) then they show signs of knowing it's a bad thing to do. It only works in social animals, and only in those exhibiting self awareness.

Speaking of self awareness, the latest entrant into self-aware status:
Elephants. At least one elephant has passed the mirror self image test, in one experiment, a big white dot was painted on an ear of this elephant which would be visible in a mirror and the elephant in question looked at the mirror and then put his trunk up to feel the white dot. It wouldn't do that if it had no self awareness.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Speaking of self awareness, the latest entrant into self-aware status:
Elephants. At least one elephant has passed the mirror self image test, in one experiment, a big white dot was painted on an ear of this elephant which would be visible in a mirror and the elephant in question looked at the mirror and then put his trunk up to feel the white dot. It wouldn't do that if it had no self awareness.

Cool!

Yes, elephants also fit into the self-awareness, knowledge of right and wrong grouping.

Originally posted by howardgee
Once again, you show your lack of logical ability.

The argument was about animals and humans killing their own species. Then you go and disregard this, and give an example of an animal killing another type of animal. This is irrelevant.
Of course, when animals eat other types of animals, it is in order to survive, just like when we eat sheep, cows, e illustrates the author's original claim that "Humans are egotistical when it comes to God!"

Just so I'm clear, you are suggesting when we speak of animals we
have to only talk about intra-species (killings and such) because
those that are not intra-species don't really count, because when
animals do it to other life-forms (animals) it doesn't matter, only
because it isn't intra-species? I'm assuming because you do not lump
all animals together as you do all people, correct? I'm asking for your
point of view, I'm not sure I still understand your position.
Kelly

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Cool!

Yes, elephants also fit into the self-awareness, knowledge of right and wrong grouping.

WOW, you projecting this upon elephants because you'd like to think
they have knowledge of right and wrong, or you KNOW!
Kelly

Originally posted by scottishinnz
No. And neither, very quickly, would you when killing a sheep.

However, when chimps do bad things like stealing (they are social animals too) then they show signs of knowing it's a bad thing to do. It only works in social animals, and only in those exhibiting self awareness.

Lions also kill each other, and do from time to time eat one another
too, according to the documentries I have seen about them, is that
something that is animals acting our of thier nature, or should some
jungle police squad arrest the offending lions and lock them up for
doing bad and evil deeds?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
WOW, you projecting this upon elephants because you'd like to think
they have knowledge of right and wrong, or you KNOW!
Kelly

No. It's called observing their behaviour. Something you obviously are completely unfamiliar with.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Lions also kill each other, and do from time to time eat one another
too, according to the documentries I have seen about them, is that
something that is animals acting our of thier nature, or should some
jungle police squad arrest the offending lions and lock them up for
doing bad and evil deeds?
Kelly

Stop anthropomorphisizing them.

A male lion will kill the cubs of another lions, who's pride he has just one. There is a good evolutionary reason for this, since the females will not ovulate when they are rearing a cub. A dominant male will not kill his own offspring however, nor will he harm the females. In nature, animals rarely fight to the death, since it is a waste of energy.

However, intelligence was one of my provisos and, as interesting as lions are, they don't have the requisite intelligence to know the difference between right and wrong per se, nor, to my knowledge have they ever passed the mirror test.

Try to keep on topic in the future.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
No. It's called observing their behaviour. Something you obviously are completely unfamiliar with.

I can observe as well as everyone else; however, like a great many
things we disagree on, it is what we claim we are seeing. You want to
put human traits upon animals to make them more like us, so you
can understand them, life isn’t a cartoon.
Kelly

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Stop anthropomorphisizing them.

A male lion will kill the cubs of another lions, who's pride he has just one. There is a good evolutionary reason for this, since the females will not ovulate when they are rearing a cub. A dominant male will not kill his own offspring however, nor will he harm the females. In nature, animals rarely fight to the dea ...[text shortened]... o my knowledge have they ever passed the mirror test.

Try to keep on topic in the future.

The topic is animal behavior, not agreeing with you or bringing up
points you dislike isn't leaving topic. Loins do kill other loins, and
I didn't say what sex I saw do it either, as a matter of fact it was
female upon female grown loins that killed one another, and the
pride did eat the fallen loin. This isn’t a trait I’d limit to loins
either, but again when this happens in the animal world I just call
it animals acting as animals, if a human did that, I’d say it was evil
and bad behavior that should have never occurred.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The topic is animal behavior, not agreeing with you or bringing up
points you dislike isn't leaving topic. Loins do kill other loins, and
I didn't say what sex I saw do it either, as a matter of fact it was
female upon female grown loins that killed one another, and the
pride did eat the fallen loin. This isn’t a trait I’d limit to loins
either, but ag ...[text shortened]... human did that, I’d say it was evil
and bad behavior that should have never occurred.
Kelly

I love watching female loins eating male loins, don't you?
I have many videos of this glorious act.