@kellyjay saidHow does you being "saved" despite your evil deeds equal "justice"?
Correct, we are all sinners and have fallen short; we all need a redeemer; we cannot
do it ourselves. It is a condition we all share, including me. There is nothing
disingenuous about that, no false modesty claiming I need Christ to save me
because I cannot do it myself and declaring no one else can either. Nothing about
that makes me better than anyone else; only Christ can do that.
@fmf saidWe stand condemned right now in front of God for the evil we have done, without
If you do not believe that all human beings are so evil that they deserve to be tortured for eternity after they die, including you, then say so, now. Yes, I know you believe you are "forgiven". But a pivotal point for your views on evil has always been that we are all evil, you, me, everybody.
exception except for those who have Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, in Him there is
the life of God, the righteousness of God, and walking with the Lord the Spirit of
God leads us and guides us in this life. Without God, we are what we are, nothing we
can do will justify ourselves before the eternal King of the universe.
@fmf saidI'm not attempting to walk after my evil desires anymore; in the flesh, we are called
How does you being "saved" despite your evil deeds equal "justice"?
to walk in the Spirit, which you cannot do without the Spirit of God in you. You'd
have known this had that ever happened to you. If I am doing the evil I want
without regard to Christ, then I love that sin more than God; it isn't we get a sin
freely card. Abiding in Christ means we are walking with Him; if we have sinned, He,
through His Spirit, deals with it. More times than not, the closer we get to Him, the
more in us we see for what it is, and we change by repenting.
@kellyjay saidI don't "walk after my evil desires anymore". I don't need to subscribe to your "Spirit of God" ideology.
I'm not attempting to walk after my evil desires anymore; in the flesh, we are called
to walk in the Spirit, which you cannot do without the Spirit of God in you.
@kellyjay saidWell, I used to be a Christian so the faith thing that you have "happened" to me. But that was back then. You are talking to an agnostic atheist now.
You'd
have known this had that ever happened to you. If I am doing the evil I want
without regard to Christ, then I love that sin more than God; it isn't we get a sin
freely card.
@fmf saidScripture:
How come you believe you will be able to stop "sinning" in "the eternal Kingdom" later but insist you cannot possibly stop "sinning" now?
2 Corinthians
English Standard Version
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
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Our works and efforts cannot do this, only God.
@kellyjay saidCopy pasting this does not make your notion of "justice" morally coherent.
2 Corinthians
English Standard Version
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—n ...[text shortened]... life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
@kellyjay saidIf someone doesn't "walk after their evil desires anymore", like you, why would you be "saved" while they are tortured? How is that "justice"?
Our works and efforts cannot do this, only God.
If you ARE still "walking after your evil desires" why would you be "forgiven" simply for believing that there is an entity that has "forgiven" you? How is that "justice"?
If people don't "walk after their evil desires anymore", like you say you don't, and none of them is tortured for eternity, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof, how is that "no justice"?
@kellyjay saidIf you want to make your notion of "justice" morally coherent, address the specific questions and observations I am making in my efforts to converse with you rather than simply resorting to generic statements or hiding behind copy-pastes.
Ignoring Biblical text that addresses the questions concerning the topic doesn't
do anything for understanding either.
@kellyjay saidI sense the foundations of Christianity's key components ~ misanthropy and narcissism ~ in this text. Neither word appears in it though, of course. But then the word "justice" doesn't appear either. Interesting.
2 Corinthians
English Standard Version
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—n ...[text shortened]... life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.