Originally posted by googlefudge
I have posted my reasons for viewing WLC and this lecture as being full of logical fallacies and why
his arguments are wrong in a new thread, so as not to put a multi post wall in the middle of this one.
And my response to "Why [b]do you exist then ?" is simply that I have no reason for existing,
nor need a reason for existing, other than that ...[text shortened]... to be like this in the first place.
None of which has, or needs, any reason... it just is.[/b]
I have posted my reasons for viewing WLC and this lecture as being full of logical fallacies and why his arguments are wrong in a new thread, so as not to put a multi post wall in the middle of this one.
Thanks for your labors there. It is being studied. [/b]
And my response to "Why do you exist then ?" is simply that I have no reason for existing, nor need a reason for existing, other than that which i make myself.
For one going through such labor to debunk Craig's thoughts it is curious to me that above you really do not come up with that much of a different conclusion.
All you have written in answer to the questions affirms what he said about human living
without God -
I have no reason for existing, nor need a reason for existing, other than that which i make myself.
This sounds very familiar to what Craig discribed as one approach to the delimma.
You "embrace" the bleakness of your meaninglessness, as he said some modern thinkers do. And as some modern thinkers do, you say there is no meaning other than what you make for yourself.
Isn't this rather bleak ? Cannot also Hitler and Stalin say they have made meaning enough for themselves in the killing of millions of people in concentration camps and work camps ?
I will go through all of your criticism of Craig's lecture. But the explanation you give above certainly sounds like Craig could have written it himself - as to no meaning in the absurdity of life without God.
I exist because my parents decided to have kids, as their parents before them ect, back to the start of evolution with first life, and then before that because conditions for life to form were possible in this part of the universe, and that this part of the universe came to be like this in the first place.
None of which has, or needs, any reason... it just is.
Then I would say this must be
truly absurd.
Truly absurd! Why ?
When I look at the encredible ingenuity of the reproductive process in all of its intricate stages of impregnation, fertilization, cell division, cell multplication, specialization of body parts, etc. etc. etc. and it has not any reason ?
I find that truly
ABSURD to the point of loud insane LAUGHTER at the madness of such meaninglessness.
This is Kafka's bleak and insane absurdity as a man waking up one morning having changed into a cockroach ( "Metamorphasis" ) or a purposeless trial for no apparent reason ( "The Trial" ) .
For a detailed debunker of Craig's argument you certainly seem to come to his same conclusions.