Why is it never directly stated?
Seems to me that OSAS is man's attempt to explain something based on assumptions.
Of course if OSAS is directly stated in the Bible I would love to see it quoted.
No quotes as to why it must be true in your eyes. I want a direct Biblical statement that says if you believe you are saved then you are saved and can never lose your salvation.
I know of the elect but no where do I find the elect know who they are. They simply work out their salvation.
Originally posted by @eladarNo
Why is it never directly stated?
Seems to me that OSAS is man's attempt to explain something based on assumptions.
Of course if OSAS is directly stated in the Bible I would love to see it quoted.
No quotes as to why it must be true in your eyes. I want a direct Biblical statement that says if you believe you are saved then you are saved and can nev ...[text shortened]... elect but no where do I find the elect know who they are. They simply work out their salvation.
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Originally posted by @eladarThis is the only reference to eternal salvation made by Jesus Christ.
Why is it never directly stated?
Seems to me that OSAS is man's attempt to explain something based on assumptions.
Of course if OSAS is directly stated in the Bible I would love to see it quoted.
No quotes as to why it must be true in your eyes. I want a direct Biblical statement that says if you believe you are saved then you are saved and can nev ...[text shortened]... elect but no where do I find the elect know who they are. They simply work out their salvation.
My sheep hear my voice,
and I know them,
and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life;
and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(John 10:27-28 KJV)
This statement is about following the commandments
The ones used by the church is eternal salvation through mouth worship.
Originally posted by @rajk999Those are the elect.
This is the only reference to eternal salvation is made by Jesus Christ.
My sheep hear my voice,
and I know them,
and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life;
and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(John 10:27-28 KJV)
This statements is about following the commandments
The ones used by the church is eternal salvation through mouth worship.
But Once Saved Always Saved takes it a step further and tells people to judge for themselves if they are part of the elect.
Originally posted by @eladarOk and those would be churches where Jesus resides.
There are plenty of churches that reject OSAS.
Jesus has nothing to do with false churches.
Jesus is with all those who follow his commandments and abides with them.
Churches who do not preach the following of Jesus's commandments are of the devil.
Originally posted by @rajk999So you are a free will baptist guy.
Ok and those would be churches where Jesus resides.
Jesus has nothing to do with false churches.
Jesus is with all those who follow his commandments and abides with them.
Churches who do not preach the following of Jesus's commandments are of the devil.
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Originally posted by @eladarWait a minute if OSAS isn't directly stated in the Bible, where does it tell people they can authoritatively judge for themselves if they are part of the elect?
Those are the elect.
But Once Saved Always Saved takes it a step further and tells people to judge for themselves if they are part of the elect.
Knowing you are saved does not seem to be an essential part of OSAS. It would be hubris.
Sounds like setting up a straw man, to me.
If the opponent of a doctrine gets to define its tenets, you can be pretty sure it will be fatally flawed.
Originally posted by @js357Of course you see it that way, you are trying to be a jerk in a topic that does not interest you.
Wait a minute if OSAS isn't directly stated in the Bible, where does it tell people they can authoritatively judge for themselves if they are part of the elect?
Knowing you are saved does not seem to be an essential part of OSAS.It would be hubris.
Sounds like setting up a straw man, to me.
If the opponent of a doctrine gets to define its tenets, you can be pretty sure it will be fatally flawed.