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  1. 13 Jun '18 13:43
    Why is it never directly stated?

    Seems to me that OSAS is man's attempt to explain something based on assumptions.

    Of course if OSAS is directly stated in the Bible I would love to see it quoted.

    No quotes as to why it must be true in your eyes. I want a direct Biblical statement that says if you believe you are saved then you are saved and can never lose your salvation.

    I know of the elect but no where do I find the elect know who they are. They simply work out their salvation.
  2. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    13 Jun '18 14:14
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Why is it never directly stated?

    Seems to me that OSAS is man's attempt to explain something based on assumptions.

    Of course if OSAS is directly stated in the Bible I would love to see it quoted.

    No quotes as to why it must be true in your eyes. I want a direct Biblical statement that says if you believe you are saved then you are saved and can nev ...[text shortened]... elect but no where do I find the elect know who they are. They simply work out their salvation.
    No
  3. 13 Jun '18 14:37
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    No
    So you don't have a quote either.
  4. 13 Jun '18 14:43
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Why is it never directly stated?
    Like the "trinity" is never directly stated for example?
  5. Subscriber Rajk999
    Enjoying
    13 Jun '18 14:45 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Why is it never directly stated?

    Seems to me that OSAS is man's attempt to explain something based on assumptions.

    Of course if OSAS is directly stated in the Bible I would love to see it quoted.

    No quotes as to why it must be true in your eyes. I want a direct Biblical statement that says if you believe you are saved then you are saved and can nev ...[text shortened]... elect but no where do I find the elect know who they are. They simply work out their salvation.
    This is the only reference to eternal salvation made by Jesus Christ.

    My sheep hear my voice,
    and I know them,
    and they follow me:
    And I give unto them eternal life;
    and they shall never perish,
    neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    (John 10:27-28 KJV)


    This statement is about following the commandments
    The ones used by the church is eternal salvation through mouth worship.
  6. 13 Jun '18 14:48
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    This is the only reference to eternal salvation is made by Jesus Christ.

    My sheep hear my voice,
    and I know them,
    and they follow me:
    And I give unto them eternal life;
    and they shall never perish,
    neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    (John 10:27-28 KJV)


    This statements is about following the commandments
    The ones used by the church is eternal salvation through mouth worship.
    Those are the elect.

    But Once Saved Always Saved takes it a step further and tells people to judge for themselves if they are part of the elect.
  7. 13 Jun '18 14:49
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Like the "trinity" is never directly stated for example?
    Why can't you deal with the topic? Need a little attention honey?
  8. Subscriber Rajk999
    Enjoying
    13 Jun '18 14:52
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Those are the elect.

    But Once Saved Always Saved takes it a step further and tells people to judge for themselves if they are part of the elect.
    Like I said. That is church doctrine.
    Jesus picks the elect. Not Paul.
    Jesus said who qualifies.
  9. 13 Jun '18 14:53
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Like I said. That is church doctrine.
    Jesus picks the elect. Not Paul.
    Jesus said who qualifies.
    There are plenty of churches that reject OSAS.
  10. Subscriber Rajk999
    Enjoying
    13 Jun '18 14:55
    Originally posted by @eladar
    There are plenty of churches that reject OSAS.
    Ok and those would be churches where Jesus resides.
    Jesus has nothing to do with false churches.
    Jesus is with all those who follow his commandments and abides with them.

    Churches who do not preach the following of Jesus's commandments are of the devil.
  11. 13 Jun '18 14:57
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Ok and those would be churches where Jesus resides.
    Jesus has nothing to do with false churches.
    Jesus is with all those who follow his commandments and abides with them.

    Churches who do not preach the following of Jesus's commandments are of the devil.
    So you are a free will baptist guy.
  12. Subscriber Rajk999
    Enjoying
    13 Jun '18 15:04
    Originally posted by @eladar
    So you are a free will baptist guy.
    I have to apologise .. these US labels, slogans and slangs, terms etc fly over my head.
  13. 13 Jun '18 15:09 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Those are the elect.

    But Once Saved Always Saved takes it a step further and tells people to judge for themselves if they are part of the elect.
    Wait a minute if OSAS isn't directly stated in the Bible, where does it tell people they can authoritatively judge for themselves if they are part of the elect?

    Knowing you are saved does not seem to be an essential part of OSAS. It would be hubris.

    Sounds like setting up a straw man, to me.

    If the opponent of a doctrine gets to define its tenets, you can be pretty sure it will be fatally flawed.
  14. 13 Jun '18 15:12
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    I have to apologise .. these US labels, slogans and slangs, terms etc fly over my head.
    Still, there is a church for you.
  15. 13 Jun '18 15:13
    Originally posted by @js357
    Wait a minute if OSAS isn't directly stated in the Bible, where does it tell people they can authoritatively judge for themselves if they are part of the elect?

    Knowing you are saved does not seem to be an essential part of OSAS.It would be hubris.

    Sounds like setting up a straw man, to me.

    If the opponent of a doctrine gets to define its tenets, you can be pretty sure it will be fatally flawed.
    Of course you see it that way, you are trying to be a jerk in a topic that does not interest you.