SwissGambit,
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Ahh, the old \"you think you can do better?\" defense. Fallacious, as usual. Next!
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Would it not be a good way to illustrate your point?
Nearly everyone else was writing a response to meeting God.
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Do you think it would be more pleasing to God if I come befuddled about all these matters, confused, not too certain, doubting that He really is God incarnate.? Do you think such confusion and hesitation shows \"humility\"?
This isn\'t much like the tax collector. On the contrary, the tax collector believes God exists and has the right to judge him. But he does not assume that God will accept him, or already has accepted him. That\'s where you differ from him.
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The redeemed knows that God has the right to judge him. In fact he knows that he has been judged already. He knows that in the cross of Calvary justice was imputed upon the Son of God on behalf of the sinners.
I come to meet God knowing that I was judged on Calvary. If you do not have that assurance you will always be hounded by the accusation of Satan. Did you ever read "And they over came him [the devil] because of the blood of the Lamb ...?" (Rev.12:11)
Your attempts to morph me into the Pharisee are not doing too well. But I'm happy if you identify with the tax collector yourself.
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But I already had my hour of desperation as to initially being received by God.
Is that all? It\'s only supposed to last an hour?
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Concerning belief in eternal redemption? Why not? It is afterall not your tears which save you. It is the blood of Christ. It is not your regret that saves you. It is the blood of Christ.
It is not even TIME that saves you. It is the blood of Jesus. So one minute is enough - that is in terms of being accepted by God unto eternal redemption through believing in Jesus.
Do you think much time, much tears, much howling and rolling on the floor and much confessing saves you? Even your howling and crying and weeping have to be washed in the blood.
Remember, we are talking about the gift of forgiveness and eternal life. I am not suggesting that spiritual maturity can be instantaneously accomplished. That is a life long dealing with the heart.
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Few would claim that Christians stop sinning, even after they\'re saved.
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I think we are not talking about grow into spiritual maturity. We are talking about meeting God in the end and what our reaction might be initially.
If you to have example of effective prayers for Christian growth and maturity say after a person has been saved for many years I could have many examples.
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That means you\'re still a sinner, and in the same boat as the tax collector. You need God\'s mercy for the rest of your life, right?
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No, It means that I can still thank God when I meet Him because of this taught to Christians:
"If we say that we do not have sin, we are deceiving outselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:8,9)
This is spoken to disciples and not unbelieving sinners. For sweet and uninterrupted fellowship with the Father we can confess our daily sins as soon as we become aware of them. And again the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sins and keeps us in the divine fellowship in a harmonious way.
Do you think that every prayer to God can only be a repentance? That would not bear up in experience or in the Bible. It seems that you do not recognize the prayer of praise or of thanksgiving.
Anyway, there is prayer to God which may not have repentence in it as its sole subject matter.
How would you compare this prayer to that your Matthew example:
""And they sing the song of Moses, the slave of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and wonderful are Your works, Lord God the Almighty! Righteus and true are Your ways, O King of the nations!
Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy; for all the nations will come and worship before You, for Your righteus judgments have been manifested." (Rev. 15:3-4)
Would you also condemn this prayer as lacking humility? Would you say that only the prayer before God consisting of weeping and trembling because of one's sense of unworthiness is the only POSSIBLE offering of prayer a human being can give?
Of course not.
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It is not humility to be desperate about being forgiven eternally everyday ever after God has told you that you are forgiven.
Again, I bet the Pharisee also thought he was forgiven, or at least in God\'s good graces. Perhaps you will go further and claim that you are even further in God\'s good graces, because you, unlike the Pharisee, have a direct line to God.
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Boy. I thought you said I was the one with it "all figured out."
"He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit" ( 1 Cor. 6:17)
God would that everyone "joined to the Lord" would have something of a "direct line". Did you know that when you are regenerated your human spirit is joined to the Spirit of the Lord Jesus? You and He become "one spirit".
Did you ever read "Having therefore, brothers, boldness for entering the Holy of Holies in the blood of Jesus, Which entrance He initiated for us as a new and living way through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a great Priest over the house of God,
Let us come forward to the Holy of Holies with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from and evil conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water." (Hebrews 10:19-22)
When Christ died on the cross the great separating veil which divided the holy place from the innermost Holy of Holies, was rent from top to bottom. This signified that the separation was taken away, slain upon the cross of Jesus, allowing us sinners to approach God in the blood of Jesus.
So there is a time for humility. And there is a time to come forward to God in boldness. which boldness is because of the finished work of Christ.
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Would you like to offer us an example of a prayer of your own then? And if not do you have one or a reaction to seeing God which you feel is helpful?
In the unlikely event that there is a God like yours, let\'s hope that he does not play by the rigid rules of his followers. Let\'s hope he does not punish people for using their intellect and following the path they believe is most likely true. Let\'s hope that he embraces not mere blind faith, but rationality.
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It is perfectly rational to believe that what Christ accomplished on behalf of those who believe is effective, effectual, and trustworthy.
So is your real concern not with humility, but with finding "another" God besides the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit of the New Testament?
Why didn't you just say that in the beginning. Look, as far as eternal redmption is concerned, Righteous and innocent Jesus Christ died instead of you and I.
We can believe or search for something more intellectual. I choose to believe and give thanks to God when I meet Christ face to face.