Imagine if this happened in the US

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
But that's not what's happening. Political Correctness rules the day now. And as traditional Conservatives die off, and Liberalism permeates our education system, government, and media more and more... it's just a matter of time. By and large, Liberal progressives™ are hostile to Conservatism and Christianity. I wouldn't be surprised if within the ne ...[text shortened]... eled dangerous hate speech and banned. The good ol' days of the "Christian Coalition" are over.

It isn't going to take that long in my opinion.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Don't y'all see. It's not enough that you tolerate the LGBTQP lifestyle. You have to embrace it. And promote it.

Anything less and you're a self-righteous, backward, bigoted, phobic piece of trash.

edit: And it doesn't work the other way. If you're a Conservative, a Caucasian male, a patriot, a nationalist, a Republican, or God forbid.. ...[text shortened]... zed, and treated like the self-righteous, backward, bigoted, phobic piece of trash that you are.

The double standard of hypocrisy of the radical extreme liberal left.

Originally posted by @js357
How easily the crucial sentence in the above can be altered to: Today, it's similar but it's the (mostly theist) conservatives™ forcing everyone to either embrace and promote political intolerance, or, suffer the consequences.

Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong.

God is right and everybody else is wrong. Except those that agree with the clear teaching of God's Word about what is right and wrong.

It's so clear even a child can understand it. Except for the over sophisticated who generate endless arguments against accountability.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Matthew 24:12
And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.

Dark days are coming.

Dark for the un- righteous , not for the upright in heart

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Don't y'all see. It's not enough that you tolerate the LGBTQP lifestyle. You have to embrace it. And promote it.

Anything less and you're a self-righteous, backward, bigoted, phobic piece of trash.

edit: And it doesn't work the other way. If you're a Conservative, a Caucasian male, a patriot, a nationalist, a Republican, or God forbid.. ...[text shortened]... zed, and treated like the self-righteous, backward, bigoted, phobic piece of trash that you are.

If only.


I'm constantly astonished at Christians who are sooooooo eager to piss all over Christ's commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Dark for the un- righteous , not for the upright in heart

No, for everyone, it isn't going to be good for anyone. Closer to the end, the worse it is
going to be.

Originally posted by @suzianne
If only.


I'm constantly astonished at Christians who are sooooooo eager to piss all over Christ's commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself."

You don't have to agree with people's life philosophy in order to love them.

Originally posted by @suzianne
If only.


I'm constantly astonished at Christians who are sooooooo eager to piss all over Christ's commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself."

The situation may be too paradoxical, or in your opinion too much of a stretch. But the idea is this. If a Christian truly believes that the homosexual lifestyle (and all that naturally goes with it) is a path to destruction--wouldn't that Christian actually be showing concern and love for a practicing homosexual by taking measures to steer him or her away from it? I would compare the situation to normal present-day situations like a parent scolding a child for its own good, but the situation would then morph to, "So, you think the heteros are parents and the LGBTQP's are children?" But I'm not comparing literally, only trying to express the sentiment. One does not commit an act of love by willfully enabling someone else to do something self-destructive. "But it's not self-destructive," yes yes I get it. But to some people it really is. We aren't faking it. You'd do the same if you thought like we do.

Originally posted by @suzianne
If only.


I'm constantly astonished at Christians who are sooooooo eager to piss all over Christ's commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself."

You're taking "Love your neighbor as yourself" out of context and miss applying it to mean Christians should accept and even approve of behavior strictly forbidden by God.

It's a no-brainer suzianne, based on the clear teaching of scripture concerning sexual morality, that those who profess to know Christ as saviour and are born again should stand for the truth and reproved the unfruitful works of darkness.

Ephesians 5:11,12
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Originally posted by @secondson
You're taking "Love your neighbor as yourself" out of context and miss applying it to mean Christians should accept and even approve of behavior strictly forbidden by God.

It's a no-brainer suzianne, based on the clear teaching of scripture concerning sexual morality, that those who profess to know Christ as saviour and are born again should stand for ...[text shortened]... reprove them.
For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

I'd have no problem with you not accepting their lifestyle, or even "reproving" them, if only you could see your way clear to treat them as human beings in the meantime, understanding that it is God who brings Judgement, and not you. That was the core of Jesus' message. Remember "let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone"? We are ALL sinners and fall short of the glory of God. How hypocritical IS it to count someone else's sin as "worse" than our own? Isn't this what the Pharisees did?

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity." - Matthew 23:27-28, KJV

As for your Ephesians quote, Paul also thought women should be silent, and defer to men in all things, treating them as children.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
The situation may be too paradoxical, or in your opinion too much of a stretch. But the idea is this. If a Christian truly believes that the homosexual lifestyle (and all that naturally goes with it) is a path to destruction--wouldn't that Christian actually be showing concern and love for a practicing homosexual by taking measures to steer him or her ...[text shortened]... to some people it really is. We aren't faking it. You'd do the same if you thought like we do.

Christians err with this the same way they err with atheists -- news flash, you aren't going to change their minds. But this disagreement, as you said, does not mean we cannot love them, yea, even "as ourselves", meaning, hey, let's not forget to treat them as we want to be treated, as mere human beings, with love and the simple respect being human brings. But no, it seems some Christians cannot be like Jesus, saving the adulterous woman from the mob bent on stoning her; indeed, today's Christian would rather pick up more stones, calling it "God's will", or even more preposterously, "she attacked us". This is not what Jesus taught us.

"Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man." - John 8:15, KJV

And people talk of intelligent design.

But starting over, what could be done differently, that would avoid such self-justifying interference of some sort, in other’s lives? And can we get there from here?

Originally posted by @js357
And people talk of intelligent design.

But starting over, what could be done differently, that would avoid such self-justifying interference of some sort, in other’s lives? And can we get there from here?

I think all it takes is actually living the words of Jesus, instead of merely giving lip service to them.

Originally posted by @js357
And people talk of intelligent design.

But starting over, what could be done differently, that would avoid such self-justifying interference of some sort, in other’s lives? And can we get there from here?

The goal of God is being accomplished even with the bump in the road of evil entering into
the picture. Nothing needs start over, except us being born again into the God's Kingdom,
those outside of that will remain as they are, and end up where they are going.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
The goal of God is being accomplished even with the bump in the road of evil entering into
the picture. Nothing needs start over, except us being born again into the God's Kingdom,
those outside of that will remain as they are, and end up where they are going.

It just can’t be left alone for a moment, can it? It is our identifying some people as “outside” and how we think we are directed by God to treat them, that is of concern at this point in this thread.