Originally posted by @js357The goal is NOT to treat them as outside, but to let them know they are in grave danger!
It just can’t be left alone for a moment, can it? It is our identifying some people as “outside” and how we think we are directed by God to treat them, that is of concern at this point in this thread.
No one on their own is righteous enough to be accepted by God, I don't care how high of
an opinion they may have of themselves. You think we should just blow smoke up their
butts, instead telling them that are in eternal danger if that is what we believe is true,
because that is what the scriptures declare?
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Originally posted by @kellyjayYour “telling them they are in grave danger” is far less ominous than Tom Wolsey’s “But the idea is this. If a Christian truly believes that the homosexual lifestyle (and all that naturally goes with it) is a path to destruction--wouldn't that Christian actually be showing concern and love for a practicing homosexual by taking measures to steer him or her away from it?”
The goal is NOT to treat them as outside, but to let them know they are in grave danger!
No one on their own is righteous enough to be accepted by God, I don't care how high of
an opinion they may have of themselves. You think we should just blow smoke up their
butts, instead telling them that are in eternal danger if that is what we believe is true,
because that is what the scriptures declare?
It’s a slippery slope to aversion (or conversion) therapy and worse, out of showing “love.”
Originally posted by @js357Only you would immediately interpret the "measures" I mentioned, as tying a homosexual down to a chair, propping up his eyes with toothpicks, forcing him to watch gay porn, and electrocuting him every time he gets an erection.
Your “telling them they are in grave danger” is far less ominous than Tom Wolsey’s “But the idea is this. If a Christian truly believes that the homosexual lifestyle (and all that naturally goes with it) is a path to destruction--wouldn't that Christian actually be showing concern and love for a practicing homosexual by taking measures to steer him or her awa ...[text shortened]... ”
It’s a slippery slope to aversion (or conversion) therapy and worse, out of showing “love.”
The "measures" I was thinking of are less "ominous," such as verbal and written warnings and teachings. A Christian is called to give witness and preach the Gospel--not force anything on anyone.
Originally posted by @js357I'm not singling out homosexual life styles, every single person alive has sinned before God.
Your “telling them they are in grave danger” is far less ominous than Tom Wolsey’s “But the idea is this. If a Christian truly believes that the homosexual lifestyle (and all that naturally goes with it) is a path to destruction--wouldn't that Christian actually be showing concern and love for a practicing homosexual by taking measures to steer him or her awa ...[text shortened]... ”
It’s a slippery slope to aversion (or conversion) therapy and worse, out of showing “love.”
Being homosexual or not doesn't change that nor does it excuse any sin. What are you
suggesting here, if you have a sexual preference it voids the Word of God?
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyI didn’t mention any of those measures you now mention; you supplied them from your imagination. You are apparently free according to your faith to put words in my mouth that I did not utter. The measures I had in mind were also less ominous than that.
Only you would immediately interpret the "measures" I mentioned, as tying a homosexual down to a chair, propping up his eyes with toothpicks, forcing him to watch gay porn, and electrocuting him every time he gets an erection.
The "measures" I was thinking of are less "ominous," such as verbal and written warnings and teachings. A Christian is called to give witness and preach the Gospel--not force anything on anyone.
Your implied claim that you would reject such measures as you mention is laudable, but speaking of “taking measures” as specific as “teaching” is definitely a step down that slippery slope that I mentioned. And it is not unprecedented in the treatment of non-Christian people, to put the children of incorrigable natives into catechism class where they are taught using fearsome imagery that alienates them from their people.
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyHas the post where JS357 supposedly these things been deleted?
Only you would immediately interpret the "measures" I mentioned, as tying a homosexual down to a chair, propping up his eyes with toothpicks, forcing him to watch gay porn, and electrocuting him every time he gets an erection.
Originally posted by @philokaliaAre you opposed to people being "self-righteous and tooting their own horn" generally and across the spectrum of beliefs and ideologies, or are you opposed to it only with people or groups with whom you have disagreements?
I've never met any group these days more self righteous and tooting their own horn more than the LGBTQ virtue signaling left. Honestly, if you can't see that, you are blind.
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Originally posted by @kellyjay“...homosexual life styles...Being homosexual...sexual preference...Word of God...”
I'm not singling out homosexual life styles, every single person alive has sinned before God.
Being homosexual or not doesn't change that nor does it excuse any sin. What are you
suggesting here, if you have a sexual preference it voids the Word of God?
Even God would wonder what exactly you think His Word is on the subject, and what it is exactly that would void the Word. Are we talking about man on man anal sex, or does it include lifestyle and unfulfilled preferences?
I’m talking about what God tells us to do about how other people live their lives. God will take care of things without your sticking your nose into it.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayIn the end, though, are they not still people? Are they not still your neighbor, whom Jesus commanded us to love?
The goal of God is being accomplished even with the bump in the road of evil entering into
the picture. Nothing needs start over, except us being born again into the God's Kingdom,
those outside of that will remain as they are, and end up where they are going.
Why all the hate? Where is the true evil?
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Originally posted by @fmfThat's not what this conversation is about.
Do you believe gay Christians should remain celibate?
Whether they do or not has no bearing on this discussion.
Do you believe that you should be celibate?
Yes, no bearing at all.
So why are you asking this? What, precisely, is your agenda?
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Originally posted by @js357Well, tell me what does the Word of God say about such things? Why stick with the
“...homosexual life styles...Being homosexual...sexual preference...Word of God...”
Even God would wonder what exactly you think His Word is on the subject, and what it is exactly that would void the Word. Are we talking about man on man anal sex, or does it include lifestyle and unfulfilled preferences?
I’m talking about what God tells us to do about h ...[text shortened]... r people live their lives. God will take care of things without your sticking your nose into it.
homosexual life styles too, all sexual practices are also covered. What is it your saying
about sexual sins, what verses are you referring too! Speak up, share what you know,
then show me where I have singled out anyone's sexual preference as making them less
than anyone else!
You can live your life doing whatever you want, if you go against God's law, God's Word
that is on you and if you hold people to various standards and break your own
standards by condemning those for things you do, YOU TOO will be condemned. It is
God's universe, the air we breath, the ground we walk on, all you have did come
from Him, treat Him and those around as you will. The great commands are love God and
each other, are you doing that?
You seem much more worried about my excepting a homosexual life style than anything
else at the moment, have I ever once told you what sexual life style you should accept,
if not you hypocrite why are you sticking your nose into my life and saying what I should
accept?
Originally posted by @suzianneYes, and if they are not warned like everyone else due to the sin in their hearts to turn
In the end, though, are they not still people? Are they not still your neighbor, whom Jesus commanded us to love?
Why all the hate? Where is the true evil?
towards God through Jesus Christ, what will happen to them? What hate are you referring
too please?