Is God the Creator of reality?

Originally posted by telerion
So evil is God. Sounds good bf101.

I asked you a question that you have not completely answered. Is God the creator of reality?

God did create reality. Those evil thoughts that man have, all come in line of the laws of disobedience. Or the laws of evil.

Originally posted by blindfaith101
Which would mean God changed HIS mind.

can an omniscient being ever 'change his mind'? i wouldn't think so because since he is omniscient, he can forsee all future events. if you can forsee all future events, then you know all the decisions you will in fact make. how could you ever change your mind in that case?

Originally posted by LemonJello
can an omniscient being ever 'change his mind'? i wouldn't think so because since he is omniscient, he can forsee all future events. if you can forsee all future events, then you know all the decisions you will in fact make. how could you ever change your mind in that case?

You just killed God.

Originally posted by LemonJello
can an omniscient being ever 'change his mind'? i wouldn't think so because since he is omniscient, he can forsee all future events. if you can forsee all future events, then you know all the decisions you will in fact make. how could you ever change your mind in that case?

that does not mean that HE could not change HIS mind.

Originally posted by blindfaith101
God did create reality. Those evil thoughts that man have, all come in line of the laws of disobedience. Or the laws of evil.

Great. Then given the operating definition of reality (for dj2 and Coletti, and you too I suppose.), God is not a a member of reality and therefore is not real.

Thank you BF101.

<can an omniscient being ever 'change his mind'?

If I plan a chain of events and decide to change my plan midway, I have changed my mind.

If an omniscient being knows the flow of all events how can it possibly change it's mind? Does being omniscient require having an infinitly large feedback loop?

<that does not mean that HE could not change HIS mind.

Why DO you believe THIS?

Originally posted by telerion
Great. Then given the operating definition of reality (for dj2 and Coletti, and you too I suppose.), God is not a a member of reality and therefore is not real.

Thank you BF101.

What is your diffination of reality?

Originally posted by LemonJello
my first thought is to wonder what you mean specifically by 'reality'.

immediately, i see no reason why the existence of any god would need to be a necessary condition for reality, but i have only a vague notion in my head of what reality is, so i think we need to formulate a defintion of reality before we will get anywhere here...

do you have a definition in mind?

I'd say reality is what is real, no matter what we think. 🙂
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'd say reality is what is real, no matter what we think. 🙂
Kelly

Great then both you have taken to the dj2/Coletti definition that I gave early on in the thread.

Now back to the OP. Is God the creator of reality and is God a subset of his creation (i.e. did he create himself?)

Originally posted by blindfaith101
What is your diffination of reality?

BF101, we are only on the second page of the thread. Is it really too much to ask you to read the previous page?

Originally posted by telerion
Oh so sin and evil are "GOD"

God did not create Satan (or men, for that matter) as evil - only with the capacity for evil. (Isaiah 14:12)

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
I am thinking of a rock too heavy for God to lift.

He does not act out of character with Himself.

Originally posted by telerion
BF101, we are only on the second page of the thread. Is it really too much to ask you to read the previous page?

You have neither stated on the first or second page, what your understanding of realility was.

Originally posted by dj2becker
God did not create Satan (or men, for that matter) as evil - only with the capacity for evil. (Isaiah 14:12)

It doesn't matter what state he created Satan and Man in. That is entirely beside the point. God created evil. He thought it up, defined what it was, and made specific forms of evil obtainable in nature.

I know you're just giving me the textbook answer that we all got in Sunday school, but don't allow yourself to be put off by the reason of a befuddled xtian apologist. They are interested only excuses, not truth.

Forget man and Satan and just think. How is it possible that man and Satan could do evil if evil did not already exist (even only as a concept, as BF101 would say, as 'the Laws of Evil."😉

Thanks for the verse by the way. Care to harmonize it with BF101's?

Originally posted by blindfaith101
You have neither stated on the first or second page, what your understanding of realility was.

Here you go BF. You'll see that I eliminated all the other text in the thread not directly related to your question. Perhaps now you can read it.

posted by Lemon on page1
my first thought is to wonder what you mean specifically by 'reality'.

response by Telerion on page 1
For dj2becker or Coletti, let 'reality' = everything that is real.

posted by Telerion in response to bf101 on page 2
[G]iven the operating definition of reality (for dj2 and Coletti, and you too I suppose.)