Originally posted by Coletti
Does that make sense? I'm sure there are some problems with my argument - some details I need to work out.
yes, your post does seem to make a lot of sense, and i think it is consistent with your earlier posts on the subject.
i am still puzzled about a few things though. let's start with the definition you gave above:
Free will (as I understand it) says that in any given situation a person is free to choice between the good action or the evil action (or any number of actions).
i don't know if you have ever seen the movie The Reckoning (came out in 2004 i think), but near the end there is scene in a church where some guys are arguing. at any rate, one of the points that the movie puts forth (and i think a lot of people hold this view) is that (i'm paraphrasing the movie here) 'evil does not spring from god himself, but rather manifests itself in the freedom of choice that he gave to us.' do you agree with this?
because it seems to me that this view is specifically referring to a belief that god grants us free will, as defined by your definition above: according to your arguments, if a person commits an evil act, then he had no choice but to commit that act; but surely if god granted us the freedom of choice, he would want us to have the possibility to do the right thing in every instance, right? i mean, in the bible he does say that we should always strive to do the right thing, so it only makes sense that he would give us the ability to always choose the right action in every instance (even if we could never actually live up to that standard). then that would imply that the person who committed the evil act actually had the choice, or power, to commit the good act instead. and this line would apply to any decision he has before him because god would want him to at least have the ability to do the right thing in every instance -- thus he would have free will granted to him by god.
in short, the bible stresses that we should always try to do the right thing, but if we do not have free will, then it follows that when we sin, it would have been impossible for us not to have sinned. to me that seems peculiar.
this is probably getting way off topic. oh well -- i really enjoy discussing free will...