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Is Salvation a free gift?

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Oppsss sorry.. that isnt teachings but then again I did say writtings didnt I?

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Originally posted by WWindmill
O.K. What about when he went to a wedding only to discover that they were out of wine and then he turned the water into wine. Do you really believe that? Ummm.. feeding hundreds of people with a couple of fish and loaves of bred. Freeing a demon possed man from his evil spirits and sending them into a herd of pigs who ran off a cliff to their deaths. Hell. ...[text shortened]... imself from the dead or other people or stopping a women's period. Where do I begin... Really!?
You've given examples of what was written about Jesus. I'm asking about what Jesus taught.

You also have to consider that much in the Bible wasn't intended to be taken literally.

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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
You've given examples of what was written about Jesus. I'm asking about what Jesus taught.

You also have to consider that much in the Bible wasn't intended to be taken literally.
LOL.. it has to be literal because you have to get past the raising of his own life which is just as much a fantasy world as any of the other crap.

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Originally posted by WWindmill
LOL.. it has to be literal because you have to get past the raising of his own life which is just as much a fantasy world as any of the other crap.
I can only assume that you haven't answered my question because you don't have an answer.

Once again, what did Jesus teach that you found to be crap?

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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
I can only assume that you haven't answered my question because you don't have an answer.

Once again, what did Jesus teach that you found to be crap?
Why should I care what someone teaches if what is written about HIM is lies. Wouldnt that be a waste of time?

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Originally posted by WWindmill
Why should I care what someone teaches if what is written about HIM is lies. Wouldnt that be a waste of time?
There's much wisdom in the teachings of Jesus. Much of it is quite profound.

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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
I can only assume that you haven't answered my question because you don't have an answer.

Once again, what did Jesus teach that you found to be crap?
I can only assume that you haven't answered my question because you don't have an answer.---ToO-----

I can only assume the same.........

Oh well here goes another try....

What is Jesus teaching us when he says "when he the Comforter comes he will guide you into all truth"??

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Originally posted by pritybetta
I am sorry you are atheist. You seem to have more understanding than most who claim to be saved.
That's a bitch that someone like him with such understanding is going to hell while the elect with no understanding receive eternal life.

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Originally posted by knightmeister
I can only assume that you haven't answered my question because you don't have an answer.---ToO-----

I can only assume the same.........

Oh well here goes another try....

What is Jesus teaching us when he says "when he the Comforter comes he will guide you into all truth"??
You don't follow me around like whodey doesn't have a bigoted attitude towards homosexuals. You're both liars.

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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
You don't follow me around like whodey doesn't have a bigoted attitude towards homosexuals. You're both liars.
I said I don't follow you around in the sense it is not personal. I have explained that I stand against your teaching of Jesus because it is a fake counterfeit of the truth. It's your own ego that makes you think this is about "you". I will admit to having frustrations and things get heated at times but I don't get off on making people feel small. I only want the truth to be known.

There are many other people here I can challenge but you are the only one peddling a false christ and that makes you dangerous. If you were going on about anything else I wouldn't give you a passing thought.

You thought Ephin said you were the anti christ , but my understanding is that he said you had given in to the spirit of the anti christ , which is different.

I have no interest in smearing you , other than to point out the hypocrisy of your selective, inconsistent position. The moment you start adhering to your own rules of argument I will be able to take you more seriously , but up to now you just seem so slippery and vague. You seem desperate to avoid an adult discussion about Jesus's full teachings and even more desperate to deflect this on to me by accusing me of being deluded. Well , I am deluded. I am under the delusion that Jesus's teachings should be taken seriously , just as you preach. I am also under the delusion that the words and teachings you quote just might not be the whole story.

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Originally posted by knightmeister
I said I don't follow you around in the sense it is not personal. I have explained that I stand against your teaching of Jesus because it is a fake counterfeit of the truth. It's your own ego that makes you think this is about "you". I will admit to having frustrations and things get heated at times but I don't get off on making people feel small. I on ...[text shortened]... r the delusion that the words and teachings you quote just might not be the whole story.
Let me see if I understand this.

When epiphinehas said:
"You are the anti-christ"

What he was really saying was:
"...you had given in to the spirit of the anti christ , which is different."

When you said:
"I'm not following you and it's no vendetta."

What you were reallly saying was:
"I don't follow you around in the sense it is not personal."

Well, you do follow me around. I didn't realize that it was possible to follow someone around in "the sense that it is not personal", whatever that's supposed to mean.

Do you ever wonder why people accuse you guys of having a "secret decoder ring"?

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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
There's much wisdom in the teachings of Jesus. Much of it is quite profound.
There is no wisdom in lies.

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Originally posted by WWindmill
There is no wisdom in lies.
What did Jesus teach that was a lie?

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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
What did Jesus teach that was a lie?
The Bible is a lie. Right from the very start. How then can such a book be relavent to people's lives because of any of the teachings in it? Its only relavence is overly to many people live by it.. like children who play Harry Potter.

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Originally posted by WWindmill
The Bible is a lie. Right from the very start. How then can such a book be relavent to people's lives because of any of the teachings in it? Its only relavence is overly to many people live by it.. like children who play Harry Potter.
This doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Anyway, if you ever develop an interest in morality or ethics you might want to investigate the teachings of Jesus. An easy place to start is with the Jefferson Bible which pulls the teachings of Jesus that Thomas Jefferson saw as relevant. Perhaps that'll be more to your liking.

Look at the "Teachings and Parables":
http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

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