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You claim that evil doing by members is not an indicator of the rightness or wrongness of religion. I agree with that.
But it doesn't follow from the observation that much evil has been done over the centuries in the name of religion.


Christianity - good
Islam - bad

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Sounds like these "certain places" must have at least 50 executions a year and as its "certain places" I assume at least two?

That's a minimum of 100 executions a year you are suggesting!

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Christianity - good
Islam - bad
Thanks for clearing that up in your own inimitable way.

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Originally posted by twhitehead
I think you will find that in most of that warfare, Christians were the aggressors. Christianity has a history just as bad as Islam, so is it evil?
I would say that Constantine hijacked Christianity. For he used it to conquer.

Constantine was not even a Christian, although it was rumored that he converted on his death bed.

Once collectivists turned the religion for their own use, out came the Crusades, the Inquisitions, and the rest of the evil. Before this time Christians had spread their religion by leaps and bounds as they were being thrown to the lions by collectivists like Nero.

Conversely, Mohammad converted with the sword from day one. Islam has only known violence and war since.

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Originally posted by menace71
Is Islam the true and real threat to the rest (Western world) of the world ? Many will say Islam has been hijacked by radicals of that faith but throughout the history of this religion it has been fraught with warfare. The Sunni against the Shia and also any other people who do not capitulate and become Muslim get heads chopped off !! Any religion who wishes to kill and starve women and children no matter what name it goes by is evil

Manny
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Originally posted by whodey
Islam has only known violence and war since.
But if Islam has also also spread non-violently and without war in many places, how can you claim "Islam has only known violence and war"?

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Ok after a bit of thought it's the radicals of any religious group that seem to be evil. I know not all Muslims or Christians are hell bent on world domination.

Manny

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Extremist religionist beliefs which induce violence and oppression scare me; Saudi Arabia is just a country, but it is an example of a country who's leadership and religious governing body which holds to extreme religionist beliefs and has influence on the Islamic religion in other countries. Those extreme beliefs from that particular religion impact some people in other countries sometimes resulting in terrible occurrences, here is an extreme illustration although I'm surprised you feel the need to ask for one.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby


That was a terrible murder and terrorist atrocity. Without a doubt.

But does it represent a bigger threat ['to the Western world" ~ to echo the OP] than, say, for example, drugs ~ drug dealing, drug crime, drug overdoses, teenage drug addiction, drug-related gang killings, organized crime?

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It is not "in play" on the General Forum. whodey only does facetious and joking around and stuff like accusing opponents of being Nazis etc. He doesn't do 'serious' discussions about anything. And lemon lime has deemed my thoughts on the terrible murder of Lee Rigby as "unfit for discussion" and suggested they be deleted but this is most likely because he had his wheels off and his on-fire-pants at his ankles on page 10 of Thread 160396.

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Agreed. And it also triggered some useful debate about other "social threats" and shortcomings that are rather concealed or downplayed by misty-eyed hogwash about "British Values".