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Originally posted by @fmfYou would have to assume an absolute standard when comparing evil deeds in the first place if you wish to present anything other than your own subjective opinions on the issue. If there is no objective standard who is to say that getting angry with your brother is not equally as evil as murdering 6 million Jews? On what basis would they be wrong in saying that if you had no unchanging standard to refer to? If you reject the Bible and what it says you are simply left with your own subjective opinions.
The notion that being angry with one's 'brother' is equally as evil as murdering 6,000,000 Jews was a supposedly "objective" and "absolutely morally true" Christian analysis of "evil" that cropped up repeatedly about a year or so ago on threads you were contributing to. I notice that you never stood up to such nonsense or even questioned it, that's all. That's ...[text shortened]... t you believe. So being angry with one's 'brother' is "evil" because "evil is evil". Understood.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayOnce again:
[b]"He "never knew". Therefore only those who do not sin are known to Jesus. "
The scripture says all have sinned, so who are these who never have sinned?
I'm glad you see sinners and evil doers are the same, I'm surprised you think the Bible
lied about all sinning. You think John and whoever wrote the book of Hebrews were liars
too, because it ...[text shortened]... s 8:12
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”[/b]
Those that don’t believe are condemned already, and there is going to be many who say Lord to Jesus who Jesus is going to say, “Depart from me I never knew you.”
Never mind that Jesus clearly and unambiguously states that He will say that to those who have not ceased to do evil.
Matthew 7
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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KJ, I'll try to keep it as simple as possible for you. Following is a translation of Matthew 7:23 in its entirety:
<<Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'>>
Jesus explicitly names those to whom He will say He "never knew": " Evildoers"
You can pretend otherwise, but Jesus said what He said and was very explicit about it. You can either accept it or reject it. Thus far you've rejected it.
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In Matthew 7:23 Jesus explicitly named "evildoers" as those to whom He will say He "never knew". Therefore only those who do not sin are known to Jesus.
Either you accept or reject what Jesus said in Matthew 7:23. Thus far you have been rejecting it.
You've been disingenuously ducking the point for quite a few post now. Why are you so dishonest? Have you no integrity whatsoever?
Address the point already!
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou are the one calling sinners and evil doers righteous before God not me.
Once again:
[quote][b]Those that don’t believe are condemned already, and there is going to be many who say Lord to Jesus who Jesus is going to say, “Depart from me I never knew you.”
Never mind that Jesus clearly and unambiguously states that He will say that to those who have not ceased to do evil.
Matthew 7
23Then I will tell them plain ...[text shortened]... t now. Why are you so dishonest? Have you no integrity whatsoever?
Address the point already![/b]
If all have sinned than there is no way Jesus could know any of us, if what you are saying
is that there are those how have never sinned. You have issues with scripture, either there
are those that live without sin or there are not. Can you name of these sinless people?
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Originally posted by @kellyjayStop already. What DG meant was quite clear. Stop playing the victim.
Move on dive, I don't care what you think, since your going to rip me whatever I say.
You using the word "I" and me thinking you could be talking about you, is not important to
me one way or another.
If you didn't have poor reading comprehension skills, you would have understood what DG was saying.
It not only keeps you from understanding other posters, its also keeps you from understanding scripture as well.
Set your pride aside, put your big boy pants on and get help with your reading comprehension skills.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayOnce again:
You are the one calling sinners and evil doers righteous before God not me.
If all have sinned than there is no way Jesus could know any of us, if what you are saying
is that there are those how have never sinned. You have issues with scripture, either there
are those that live without sin or there are not. Can you name of these sinless people?
I know that's what you believe.
Once again, stating what you believe does not in any way change what Jesus said in Matthew 7:23.
In Matthew 7:23 Jesus explicitly named "evildoers" as those to whom He will say He "never knew".
Of course, if your belief that no one can cease to sin is true, then Jesus would be saying that He "never knew" anyone. On the other hand, if that belief is not true, then Jesus would be saying exactly what He actually said. Imagine that.
Address the point already!
Originally posted by @thinkofoneWell show me some people who don't sin, show me some people who have never sinned
Once again:
I know that's what you believe.
Once again, stating what you believe does not in any way change what Jesus said in Matthew 7:23.
In Matthew 7:23 Jesus explicitly named "evildoers" as those to whom He will say He "never knew".
Of course, [b]if your belief that no one can cease to sin is true, then Jesus would be saying th ...[text shortened]... uld be saying exactly what He actually said. Imagine that.
Address the point already!
that Jesus' knows by your standard. I've pointed out to you that the scriptures deny there
are any! Names please, countries they live in, works they have done, who are these sinless?
Originally posted by @kellyjayReread the portion in BOLD in my previous post.
Well show me some people who don't sin, show me some people who have never sinned
that Jesus' knows by your standard. I've pointed out to you that the scriptures deny there
are any! Names please, countries they live in, works they have done, who are these sinless?
Do you really not understand what the words "cease to sin" really mean? Are you unable to make a distinction between that and "never sinned"?
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneWell be clear what you mean, people can run down the street murder, rape, steal then
Reread the portion in BOLD in my previous post.
Do you really not understand what the words "cease to sin" really mean? Are you unable to make a distinction between that and "never sinned"?
go home and sit on a chair and cease to sin does that mean that Jesus now knows them?
If they have sinned, they have sinned, and they are sinners no matter if they stop for a
day, or an hour, or the rest of their lives. If they sin once is all it takes and we have life
times of that with us. How does this work in your world? Who are these people again that
don't sin, name one!
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Originally posted by @kellyjayWell be clear what you mean, people can run down the street murder, rape, steal then
Well be clear what you mean, people can run down the street murder, rape, steal then
go home and sit on a chair and cease to sin does that mean that Jesus now knows them?
If they have sinned, they have sinned, and they are sinners no matter if they stop for a
day, or an hour, or the rest of their lives. If they sin once is all it takes and we have lif ...[text shortened]... with us. How does this work in your world? Who are these people again that
don't sin, name one!
go home and sit on a chair and cease to sin does that mean that Jesus now knows them?
C'mon KJ. You can't really be that dim. If they "run down the street murder, rape, steal" they haven't ceased to sin, have they? When they no longer sin, they have ceased to sin. Jesus says "I never knew you" to those who have NOT ceased to sin - those who continue to do evil - evildoers. It's not that complicated..
Isaiah 1
16“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,
Luke 6
43“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. 45A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
It's about transformation: From a bad tree to a good tree. From one with an evil heart to one with a good heart.
