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    20 Mar '18 11:561 edit
    It can't be any more clear than this:

    John 10:38
    But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father.”

    Where are you hiding ThinkOfOne? How are you going to explain this one away?
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    20 Mar '18 12:14
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    It can't be any more clear than this:

    John 10:38
    But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father.”

    Where are you hiding ThinkOfOne? How are you going to explain this one away?
    So a Christians who claims :
    - Christ is in them
    - They are in Christ
    Is that Christian also claiming to be Christ?

    Something is really sadly wrong with your ability to reason and think clearly.
    Are you an adult of a 5 yr old?
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    20 Mar '18 12:181 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    So a Christians who claims :
    - Christ is in them
    - They are in Christ
    Is that Christian also claiming to be Christ?

    Something is really sadly wrong with your ability to reason and think clearly.
    Are you an adult of a 5 yr old?
    So you think these words mean that Jesus was just claiming to be an ordinary man? 🙄

    Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? Yes or No?
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    20 Mar '18 12:24
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    So you think these words mean that Jesus was just claiming to be an ordinary man? 🙄

    Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God? Yes or No?
    Jesus claimed that God was in him.
    Just like any Christian who claims that Jesus is in him.

    Jesus is the Son of God.
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    20 Mar '18 12:27
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Jesus claimed that God was in him.
    Just like any Christian who claims that Jesus is in him.

    Jesus is the Son of God.
    Do you believe Jesus was both God and man or only man?
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    20 Mar '18 13:25
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Do you believe Jesus was both God and man or only man?
    Jesus said God is his father
    Jesus said he is the son of God.

    I only repeat what Jesus said.

    If that is not good enough for you then I cannot help further.
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    20 Mar '18 13:35
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Jesus claimed that God was in him.
    Just like any Christian who claims that Jesus is in him.

    Jesus is the Son of God.
    He called himself the son of man.
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    20 Mar '18 13:42
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    He called himself the son of man.
    Of course he did say that as well.
    God said "This is my beloved Son"
    Jesus said :
    .. because I said, I am the Son of God? (John 10:36 KJV)

    Son of man
    Son of God.

    Both are correct.
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    20 Mar '18 13:51
    Doesn't the designation "son of man" strike you? I certainly find it striking, and his listeners probably did, too. It clearly did not mean the son of a particular man; it meant something like "mankind." The scriptural term in Greek is huios anthropou. There is another Greek word to speak specifically of a "man" as contrasted with a "woman."
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    20 Mar '18 13:55
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    Doesn't the designation "son of man" strike you? I certainly find it striking, and his listeners probably did, too. It clearly did not mean the son of a particular man; it meant something like "mankind." The scriptural term in Greek is huios anthropou. There is another Greek word to speak specifically of a "man" as contrasted with a "woman."
    Of course nobody is arguing that.
    Strike me ? Dont know what that means

    Jesus is the son of Mary.
    Jesus is the Son of God.

    No need to strike.
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    20 Mar '18 14:18
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Of course nobody is arguing that.
    Strike me ? Dont know what that means

    Jesus is the son of Mary.
    Jesus is the Son of God.

    No need to strike.
    Do you not find it peculiar that he should designate himself the son of mankind?

    That he called himself the son of Mary has an obvious meaning; a particular woman bore him. Mankind did not. So what was that supposed to mean?
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    20 Mar '18 14:29
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    Do you not find it peculiar that he should designate himself the son of mankind?

    That he called himself the son of Mary has an obvious meaning; a particular woman bore him. Mankind did not. So what was that supposed to mean?
    Dunno .. if you know then state your case.
    Why do people like to ask and ask and ask such questions.
    Do like me ..state your case. Provide some references.
    Then can a discussion flow.

    Dont keep asking.. . its annoying.
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    20 Mar '18 14:43
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    Doesn't the designation "son of man" strike you? I certainly find it striking, and his listeners probably did, too. It clearly did not mean the son of a particular man; it meant something like "mankind." The scriptural term in Greek is huios anthropou. There is another Greek word to speak specifically of a "man" as contrasted with a "woman."
    An originalist reading of the original text is called for here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_man_(Christianity)
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    20 Mar '18 15:221 edit
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    It can't be any more clear than this:

    John 10:38
    But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father.”

    Where are you hiding ThinkOfOne? How are you going to explain this one away?
    Jesus calls for His followers to become "one" with God as He is "one" with God and utilizes metaphor to depict it. For example:

    John 14
    20“In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

    John 15
    4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

    John 17
    20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me."

    Jesus calls for His followers to become "sons of God" as He is a "son of God" For example:

    Matthew 5
    9“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
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    20 Mar '18 16:46
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Dunno .. if you know then state your case.
    Why do people like to ask and ask and ask such questions.
    Do like me ..state your case. Provide some references.
    Then can a discussion flow.

    Dont keep asking.. . its annoying.
    I don't know what it means. I don't have a case to make here. I'm trying to understand. Maybe someone else would like to weigh in, what "the son of man" means.
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