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Originally posted by @fmfCould "comes to the Father" mean 'get' everlasting life?
Don't run away from the conversation. You have posted several times so John 14:6 is clearly of some interest to you. And yet you've limited your contribution to a kind of statement-of-faith dodge. The OP asks for something very specific.
Could "comes to the Father" mean 'get' everlasting life?
Could "through Me" ["Me" being Jesus] mean doing the things ( ...[text shortened]... to" God? What does "way" mean exactly? And what is the definition of "through" in this context?
Not limited to that.
Could "through Me" ["Me" being Jesus] mean doing the things (works, behaviour, morals, love of neighbour and enemies, etc.) that Jesus commanded"?
No, it means faith in Him is required, our efforts alone are not enough.
So, by way of obeying those commandments and being the kind of person Jesus wanted one to be ~ through THAT ~ one can 'get' eternal life [i.e. be with or come to "the Father"]. What command was given in that verse?
You are reading something into that text that isn't there. The statement centers on our relationship with God.
Is that how you understand it?
No
If not, how do you define "comes to" God? What does "way" mean exactly? And what is the definition of "through" in this context?[/b]
Our sins cut us off from God, when Jesus died the curtain of the temple was torn from
top to bottom. Our sins no longer cut us off from God. We were dead in our sins before
God without hope, Jesus changed that being the Life, in Christ we are given the Life of
God again, where as before we were all dead in our sins.
Matthew 27:51
And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
Romans 8:10
But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Ephesians 2:1
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Originally posted by @kellyjayHow do you define "comes to" God?
Our sins cut us off from God, when Jesus died the curtain of the temple was torn from
top to bottom. Our sins no longer cut us off from God. We were dead in our sins before
God without hope, Jesus changed that being the Life, in Christ we are given the Life of
God again, where as before we were all dead in our sins.
How do you define "way"?
How do you define "through" in this context?
Do it in a straightforward way like a dictionary might ~ without loading it down with assumptions rooted in your version of the dogma ~ in a way that makes your reiteration of dogma (above) work.
FMF: Could "through Me" ["Me" being Jesus] mean doing the things (works, behaviour, morals, love of neighbour and enemies, etc.) that Jesus commanded"?Which word means "faith in Him is required"? Which word means "our efforts alone are not enough"? You are reading something into that text that isn't there. What definition of "through" are you referencing?
Originally posted by @kellyjay
No, it means faith in Him is required, our efforts alone are not enough.
Originally posted by @fmfSingling Himself out as the Way means nothing we do without Christ will be effectual
Which word means "faith in Him is required"? Which word means "our efforts alone are not enough"? You are reading something into that text that isn't there. What definition of "through" are you referencing?
towards approaching God. Our sins separated us from God, the entire OT and NT
scripture is all about God working it out righteously for our walk with God to be restored.
God being Holy and us sinners are not a good mix for us. The sacrifices were setup as
a temporary stop gap means to approach God, but they were only temporary and did
nothing for a restoration between God and man. Jesus became that solution, so anything
not Jesus Christ isn't acceptable. In the NT it was even fought that Jesus alone was what
we needed, and if we tried to add to Christ we distort what God has done for us, which
was why Paul fought against Jews that said Jesus and circumcision. He went to far as
calling those that were attempting to add to faith in Christ to be cursed.
Originally posted by @fmfHow do you define "comes to" God?
How do you define "comes to" God?
How do you define "way"?
How do you define "through" in this context?
Do it in a straightforward way like a dictionary might ~ without loading it down with assumptions rooted in your version of the dogma ~ in a way that makes your reiteration of dogma (above) work.
In every sense of the word, to be able to speak and have Him hear. To come to Him and
ask for a relationship, a restoration of fellowship and family.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayWhy does "the way" mean "nothing we do without Christ will be effectual towards approaching God"? Why doesn't "the way" mean "obey my commandments"?
Singling Himself out as the Way means nothing we do without Christ will be effectual
towards approaching God. Our sins separated us from God, the entire OT and NT
scripture is all about God working it out righteously for our walk with God to be restored.
Originally posted by @fmfHow do you define "way"?
How do you define "comes to" God?
How do you define "way"?
How do you define "through" in this context?
Do it in a straightforward way like a dictionary might ~ without loading it down with assumptions rooted in your version of the dogma ~ in a way that makes your reiteration of dogma (above) work.
The path, means to arrive, to get at, to come to, a relational walk.
Originally posted by @kellyjayWhy does "comes to God" have to mean "to be able to speak and have Him hear"? Why can't "comes to God" mean live your life in the way Jesus commanded people to?
How do you define "comes to" God?
In every sense of the word, to be able to speak and have Him hear. To come to Him and
ask for a relationship, a restoration of fellowship and family.
Originally posted by @fmfHow do you define "through" in this context?
How do you define "comes to" God?
How do you define "way"?
How do you define "through" in this context?
Do it in a straightforward way like a dictionary might ~ without loading it down with assumptions rooted in your version of the dogma ~ in a way that makes your reiteration of dogma (above) work.
Many can go to, arriving is another thing. It isn't a system of doing right He is speaking
about, it is His person. We enter in Christ, because He alone is the door.