Originally posted by @rajk999There are plenty of places where Jesus says follow commandments, but this isn't one of
Of course. That interpretation matches the rest of scripture where Jesus says over and over that if you want eternal life follow the commandments.
them. Here Jesus is talking about Himself, just because something is said in one place
means it is said every place, read the text without adding or taking away from what it says.
Originally posted by @fmf2 Peter 1:10
So you believe you could face eternal torment as a punishment for your "sins" despite your belief that Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection means that your "sins" have been forgiven?
Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.
John 16:1-3 English Standard Version (ESV)
16 “I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God. 3 And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me.
Yes, I believe God can keep us, and we are also warned to not fall away. If it were not
possible to fall away why give a warning about something that could not occur?
If anyone thinks they have arrived and go on sinning as if nothing changes in their lives,
I say then that nothing in their lives have actually changed. If you encounter God, you will
be changed, if nothing about your life has every changed...what does that say?
Originally posted by @kellyjaySo if you continue to "sin" or if your faith is deemed dead due to a lack of good works, your firm belief in Jesus cannot save you from "damnation", is that right?
2 Peter 1:10
Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.
John 16:1-3 English Standard Version (ESV)
16 “I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever ki ...[text shortened]... er God, you will
be changed, if nothing about your life has every changed...what does that say?
Originally posted by @fmfIf you live for sin, than sin is your master not Jesus Christ.
So if you continue to "sin" or if your faith is deemed dead due to a lack of good works, your firm belief in Jesus cannot save you from "damnation", is that right?
Originally posted by @kellyjayI thought this bromide was basically a dodge, a hedge, a fudge. Here's the yes-no question again. If you show no willingness to meet it head on again, so be it. I will assume that you are essentially OSAS but choose to be furtive and obfuscating about it.
If you live for sin, than sin is your master not Jesus Christ.
So if you continue to "sin" or if your faith is deemed dead due to a lack of good works, your firm belief in Jesus cannot save you from "damnation", is that right?
Yes or no?
Originally posted by @fmfAssume anything you like I told you I am not! Believe me or do not I told we can walk away! You don’t think that is possible, seriously?
I thought this bromide was basically a dodge, a hedge, a fudge. Here's the yes-no question again. If you show no willingness to meet it head on again, so be it. I will assume that you are essentially OSAS but choose to be furtive and obfuscating about it.
So if you continue to "sin" or if your faith is deemed dead due to a lack of good works, your firm belief in Jesus cannot save you from "damnation", is that right?
Yes or no?
Originally posted by @kellyjayAre you sure about this?
There are plenty of places where Jesus says follow commandments, but this isn't one of
them.
When the disciples ask for clarification of the verse 6 statement Jesus spends the rest of the chapter talking about following his commandments (vs 15 and 21) and keeping his word, loving one another etc. How to be disciples after he'd gone, in fact.
Originally posted by @ragwortJohn 14:6: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."
Are you sure about this?
When the disciples ask for clarification of the verse 6 statement Jesus spends the rest of the chapter talking about following his commandments (vs 15 and 21) and keeping his word, loving one another etc. How to be disciples after he'd gone, in fact.
Do you see the words "commandments" in this sentence?
If not why are you attempting to add them.
When you read the rest of the chapter it has Jesus saying other things, but this verse
is loaded with just these words.
Originally posted by @ragwortJohn 14 English Standard Version (ESV)
Are you sure about this?
When the disciples ask for clarification of the verse 6 statement Jesus spends the rest of the chapter talking about following his commandments (vs 15 and 21) and keeping his word, loving one another etc. How to be disciples after he'd gone, in fact.
14 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.
12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.
Yes, later on when speaking about other things obeying is in context, do you see it
in any of the verses surrounding that text? It is all about Jesus and the Father, and
believing on the Jesus, because Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him. This
stresses the point that if we attempt to go to the Father with out Jesus, we will not get
there.
Originally posted by @fmfIf you are not walking in the Spirit, not doing the things God has for you, what is it you are
I thought this bromide was basically a dodge, a hedge, a fudge. Here's the yes-no question again. If you show no willingness to meet it head on again, so be it. I will assume that you are essentially OSAS but choose to be furtive and obfuscating about it.
So if you continue to "sin" or if your faith is deemed dead due to a lack of good works, your firm belief in Jesus cannot save you from "damnation", is that right?
Yes or no?
doing but living in the flesh which cannot please God. It is a relationship, God in us and
us in God, as we walk out our lives with Him. If you reject God which is within your power
to do, you will hear the words, "I never knew you." All of the things you trust in outside of
Jesus Christ will not be enough and you will die in your sins. There are to many warnings
in scripture to suggest we cannot turn aside, to many examples of people not overcoming
but going after the things of this world over God. In Christ we are forgiven, outside of
Christ we are condemn already.