Originally posted by @kellyjayYou 'fault' is trying to fob me off with walls of rote-learned ideology. You are reading heaps of stuff into the text of John 14:6 that clearly isn't there. Do you think there is room for interpretation here by different followers of Christ or is only your interpretation of those words valid? In this case, an example of a different interpretation of John 14:6 is that it is fundamentally - and really rather obviously - about obedience.
I'm still not a 100% on what you are attempting to ask, I'll lay the fault with me.
Originally posted by @fmfIt is a relationship with Christ, He personalized it, in Christ we have our Hope. Following
Another tranche of dogma.
Can a follower of Jesus believe that "through Jesus" means 'by following Jesus' commandments and living the kind of life Jesus wants humans to live'?
His Spirit we can live the way He wants, do the works He has prepared for us. Outside of
Christ we are running around unchanged sinners on the inside walking in our flesh and
the scripture points out that anyone living in the flesh cannot please God, nor do they
belong to Him. Following His Spirit will mean our lives will reflect the fruit of the Spirit,
again if we walk in the flesh, other fruit will be manifest in our lives.
Originally posted by @fmfDo you see the word obedience in that verse? There are scripture that talk about that, this
You 'fault' is trying to fob me off with walls of rote-learned ideology. You are reading heaps of stuff into the text of John 14:6 that clearly isn't there. Do you think there is room for interpretation here by different followers of Christ or is only your interpretation of those words valid? In this case, an example of a different interpretation of John 14:6 is that it is fundamentally - and really rather obviously - about obedience.
one isn't one of those, it is Jesus telling the world only through Him can we come to the
Father.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIf another follower of Jesus interprets the words of John 14:6 differently from you, does that mean they are putting their own personal twist on them?
So if the Word clearly says something, those are the Words I live by. If I put my own personal twist on them, I run the risk of altering them to suit me.
Originally posted by @kellyjayWhy can't John 14:6 be one of the parts of scripture that are about obedience? Declaring that it is not is arguably you putting your own twist on scripture, is it not?
There are scripture that talk about [obedience], this one isn't one of those, it is Jesus telling the world only through Him can we come to the Father.
On the other hand: "through Him" = by obeying Him. Can a person see it this way and still be a follower of Jesus?
Originally posted by @kellyjayWhat definition of the word "way" makes this very specific interpretation work?
Yes, you see that Jesus claims to "the Way", it isn't about us doing anything except going to God through Him. It isn't about works, it is about Him, who He is, and who He has become.
"The way" = obeying Jesus, that is "the way", that is going "through" Him. Can a person see it this way and still be a follower of Jesus?
Originally posted by @fmfIf God has a meaning behind the scripture and I screw it up putting my own twist on it,
If another follower of Jesus interprets the words of John 14:6 differently from you, does that mean they are putting their own personal twist on them?
that I'm twisting God's scripture. If it says some will suffer, than I believe they will suffer,
if it says some will be saved, I believe some will be saved. When we start adding to, or
attempt to connect dots that were not meant to be connected, just to get out of the
scripture what we want to see, just to justify our pet doctrine we do damage to ourselves.
Originally posted by @kellyjayDo you have definitions of the words mentioned in the OP that support this very particular interpretation and at the same time make other interpretations - by followers of Jesus - incorrect or invalid?
It isn't about works, it is about Him, who He is, and who He has become.
Originally posted by @fmfNo, I believe you are adding to the text by suggesting it means something other than what
What definition of the word "way" makes this very specific interpretation work?
"The way" = obeying Jesus, that is "the way", that is going "through" Him. Can a person see it this way and still be a follower of Jesus?
is says. There are several scripture where Jesus tells people to obey, again this isn't one
of those, here Jesus is declaring something specific about Himself, nothing more.
Originally posted by @fmfI'm taking the words and subject matter for that text to mean only what it says nothing more
Do you have definitions of the words mentioned in the OP that support this very particular interpretation and at the same time make other interpretations - by followers of Jesus - incorrect or invalid?
and that other "interpretations" that add to that text are dangerous regardless if they are
followers or not.