@indonesia-phil saidThere are many (at least 10) scientific facts in the Holy Bible that were thousands of years ahead of man’s knowledge at the time.
And yet you don't question what you think you know; you accept the bible, with all of its' supernatural talking snakes, and however it flies in the face of that which we do now know, (which wasn't known or even dreamed of when the bible was written) and you present it to us as 'the truth.'
'I believe something therefore it must be true', doesn't cut any intellectual mustard, and is in direct contradiction with your quoted attempt at deeply meaningful philosophy.
Let me know if you want me to post a link to a short (10 or so minutes) YouTube video about them.
@kellyjay saidIt says scripture is a bunch of baloney.
That was how scripture says we started.
What does that mean?
@indonesia-phil saidYes I believe in more than just the material world.
And yet you don't question what you think you know; you accept the bible, with all of its' supernatural talking snakes, and however it flies in the face of that which we do now know, (which wasn't known or even dreamed of when the bible was written) and you present it to us as 'the truth.'
'I believe something therefore it must be true', doesn't cut any intellectual mustard, and is in direct contradiction with your quoted attempt at deeply meaningful philosophy.
@kellyjay saidYes, we get that, you think snakes can talk, and that is your prerogative, but that has nothing to do with knowledge or truth.
Yes I believe in more than just the material world.
Belief and knowledge aren't the same thing.
@indonesia-phil saidI would have said belief and truth are not the same thing.
Yes, we get that, you think snakes can talk, and that is your prerogative, but that has nothing to do with knowledge or truth.
Belief and knowledge aren't the same thing.
@indonesia-phil saidBelief and knowledge can be the same thing and, most of the time, are. Your beliefs spring from those things you know or at least think you know. Getting some fundamental things wrong will spoil your worldview. You may have sound math backing you up, but what you think may not be accurate because you may not have the necessary knowledge to piece the pieces precisely together. It doesn't take much to throw off someone's opinion from something. They may have total faith in something, then the ground shifts underneath them. Complex math, one-placement or sum wrong, the whole can be undermined.
Yes, we get that, you think snakes can talk, and that is your prerogative, but that has nothing to do with knowledge or truth.
Belief and knowledge aren't the same thing.
So at the very beginning, is it all just material? Where did the material come from before we even start putting it together to make things ,then piecing things together to make life, another biggie! If something transcends the material world, which I believe it does, it can have a possible effect that has nothing to do with what we think of as natural.
@kellyjay saidI don't even know what you're going on about now, except producing a load of incoherent, random, half - baked statements with little if any connection to each other or anything else being discussed.
Belief and knowledge can be the same thing and, most of the time, are. Your beliefs spring from those things you know or at least think you know. Getting some fundamental things wrong will spoil your worldview. You may have sound math backing you up, but what you think may not be accurate because you may not have the necessary knowledge to piece the pieces precisely together ...[text shortened]... ieve it does, it can have a possible effect that has nothing to do with what we think of as natural.
'Your beliefs (whose beliefs?) spring from those things you know or at least think you know,' What on earth does that mean? And what has maths got to do with any of this? Mathematics is a humankind made construct, a useful tool for measuring and quantifying the world around us, and a means by which we can more easily communicate, it has nothing to do with belief.
You can't possibly know that a snake can talk, since aside from in Disney cartoons you will never have seen a snake talk, you can only believe that a snake can talk. Knowledge and belief, two different animals which can't interbreed. If something becomes known there's no point in believing in it anymore, and if something isn't known, belief is all you have.
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@indonesia-phil saidI am willing to seriously listen to you explain what we do see around us an, where did it all came from. No need to consider snakes just explain how it all got here. You can not or will not I imagine you will even try.
I don't even know what you're going on about now, except producing a load of incoherent, random, half - baked statements with little if any connection to each other or anything else being discussed.
'Your beliefs (whose beliefs?) spring from those things you know or at least think you know,' What on earth does that mean? And what has maths got to do with any of this? ...[text shortened]... n there's no point in believing in it anymore, and if something isn't known, belief is all you have.
@kellyjay saidSo your 'argument' comes down to this, does it? If you expect me to unravel and explain the mysteries of the universe and 'where it all came from', then my answer is 'I don't know', which is a perfectly reasonable position to take, since nobody knows, and nor do you. You can believe that your god put it all there, you can believe that snakes can talk, you can believe whatever you want, but bear in mind if you can that this is only one of many humankind - manufactured versions of what happened in the beginning, if there was a beginning. You are a Christian because you were born into a Christian society, and for no other reason. You could equally well have been a Muslim, a Hindu, or have bought into any other of the world religions, which have no more or less validity than yours; it's all just a geographical accident, whether you can accept that or not.
I am willing to seriously listen to you explain what we do see around us an, where did it all came from. No need to consider snakes just explain how it all got here. You can not or will not I imagine you will even try.
May I introduce you to the idea of science, the process by which by degrees we as a species are discovering ever more about the world around us, and how things came to be as they are. This is a wonderful work in progress, and nobody will deny that scientists disagree, or claim that science yet has all the answers; we are on a voyage of discovery, of which we are not yet at the end, and far from it I daresay. We know and understand a great deal more than we did one hundred years ago, and less than we will understand one hundred years hence.
Try taking your head out of your bible and opening your mind to other possibilities; possibilities other than talking snakes, for example. If I might end by paraphrasing your last sentence and turning it into proper English; you cannot or will not, and I imagine that you will not even try. Still, go on, prove me wrong.
@indonesia-phil saidMy argument is that it is unwise to suggest the supernatural cannot occur without articulating how naturalism, through material processes alone, is responsible for the whole thing. I don't believe that there is a conflict between a belief in God and all that means and science; they are simply different explanations that are not in conflict but complement each other.
So your 'argument' comes down to this, does it? If you expect me to unravel and explain the mysteries of the universe and 'where it all came from', then my answer is 'I don't know', which is a perfectly reasonable position to take, since nobody knows, and nor do you. You can believe that your god put it all there, you can believe that snakes can talk, you can believe w ...[text shortened]... ish; you cannot or will not, and I imagine that you will not even try. Still, go on, prove me wrong.