Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are willing to say that my way of discussing things is "morally repellent" but you are not willing to say men raping their wives is "morally repellent" or adults raping children is "morally repellent"?
I wish to remain neutral over any issue. I am uninterested in people like you and arguments like yours that seek at every instance to turn debate into a personal matter. i find it not only intellectually stifling and morally repellent, its a complete waste of time.
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Originally posted by FMFI will say this for the last time, i am uninterested in people like you or arguments like yours which seek at every instance to make debate a personal matter. I cannot tell you how boring and intellectually stifling it is, its like trying to reason with a turnip patch. I echo the words of Grandpa Bobby, unless your modus operandi changes then i sincerely have nothing to say to you, seriously.
You are willing to say that my way of discussing things is "morally repellent" but you are not willing to say men raping their wives is "morally repellent" or adults raping children is "morally repellent"?
Originally posted by yoctobyteAs for me, it's forcing a woman to submit to sexual intercourse against her will. If you had read the 40 or so pages of the discussion - and it isn't clear that you have - robbie's supposedly "morally and intellectually neutral position" is that "sexual intercourse against her will" isn't possible because she gave her "consent" when she married the man.
what is your definition of rape?
-Removed-You obfuscate and put words in my mouth. What I said is, in true Christian marriage there is no rape. Why is there no rape? Because in true Christian marriage the husband would respect his wife on such a level he would not ever force himself upon her, against her will, in a sexual way so as to "rape" her.
And as to your example, I would most certainly help the woman... Only I would take her to the hospital first.
Originally posted by FMFI have made no such argument. I have not stated that anyone can be forced to have sex against their will, you are simply lying again.
Do you accept robbie's argument that a woman can't be made to have sex against her will because her "consent" was implicit in her marriage vows?
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Originally posted by yoctobyteYes this is what they do, they are essentially uninterested in objective and rational debate that is why they must lyingly attempt to distort and misrepresent what people have actually stated. Their hypocrisy is only matched by their deceitfulness. If I were you I would not waste a single minute with them.
You obfuscate and put words in my mouth. What I said is, in true Christian marriage there is no rape. Why is there no rape? Because in true Christian marriage the husband would respect his wife on such a level he would not ever force himself upon her, against her will, in a sexual way so as to "rape" her.
And as to your example, I would most certainly help the woman... Only I would take her to the hospital first.