Marital Rape

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
if you can can tell us how its possible that such a thing can occur after consent has been given then yes... .

If a man were to subject his wife to sex against her will, for example.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
This thread is for other Christians. Feel free to post but you will be ignored.

not only ignored but have two easy won clan games in the bag after you threw a hissy fit! Classic, nom nom nom

Originally posted by FMF
If a man were to subject his wife to sex against her will, for example.

how is it possible to talk of exercising will if you have given up authority over your own body, please explain.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You have failed to answer this from the very beginning because I suspect that by answering it you are forced to take a stance and will inevitably incriminate yourself .

I have stated repeatedly why I think the consent to be one's sexual partner clearly implied in a marriage vow does not mean a person is entitled to sex at times when their partner doesn't want it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
how is it possible to talk of exercising will if you have given up authority over your own body, please explain.

I explained it repeatedly on the other thread. You kept dodging my answers.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You have failed to answer this from the very beginning because I suspect that by answering it you are forced to take a stance and will inevitably incriminate yourself .

Incriminate myself ~ how so?

Originally posted by FMF
I have stated repeatedly why I think the consent to be one's sexual partner clearly implied in a marriage vow does not mean a person is entitled to sex at times when their partner doesn't want it.

I see its implied, therefore this marital vow of exercising authority over ones own body is relative, relative to some kind of personal preference, is that what you are saying?

Oh great. Another episode of the "FMF and Robbie" show.

I'll skip it thanks, I saw this one already.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Oh great. Another episode of the "FMF and Robbie" show.

I'll skip it thanks, I saw this one already.

Ha ha. Yep. Way to go, Suzianne. Take this opportunity to have a swing! Never mind robbie dragging the notion of "Christian principle" through the misogynistic mud.

Originally posted by FMF
Incriminate myself ~ how so?

well it appears to me that if you answer in the affirmative that consent has been given then it cannot be construed as rape, the definition of rape being non consensual sex, if you answer that consent does not matter then you are watering down the idea of not exercising control over ones own body and we now have the ludicrous scenario of one having consented to forgo exercising authority over ones own body while exercising a personal prerogative in that regard, another non nonsensical idea.

Originally posted by FMF
Ha ha. Yep. Way to go, Suzianne. Take this opportunity to have a swing! Never mind robbie dragging the notion of "Christian principle" through the misogynistic mud.

or FMF slobbering his way trying to evade logic and fighting reality with a machine gun primed with loaded questions, slanderous remarks and defamatory Molotov cocktails.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I see its implied, therefore this marital vow of exercising authority over ones own body is relative, relative to some kind of personal preference, is that what you are saying?

Giving "consent" to be a sexual partner in a marriage vow on a wedding day does not mean the spouse is saying he or she will automatically want sex at every and any point in the future. Surely "mutual consent" and mutual willingness for each and every sexual act is the only psychologically healthy and moral kind of sex in a marriage?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
or FMF slobbering his way trying to evade logic and fighting reality with a machine gun primed with loaded questions, slanderous remarks and defamatory Molotov cocktails.

Surely this topic is too serious for you to be using it for a catchphrase littered comedy routine? We are talking about women being raped here.

Originally posted by FMF
Giving "consent" to be a sexual partner in a marriage vow on a wedding day does not mean the spouse is saying he or she will automatically want sex at every and any point in the future. Surely "mutual consent" and mutual willingness for each and every sexual act is the only psychologically healthy and moral kind of sex in a marriage?

But a Christian has not consented to be a sexual partner they have actually consented to relinquishing authority over their own bodies. You keep trying to view the principle through some kind of relative namby pamby secularism.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
...if you answer that consent does not matter then you are watering down the idea of not exercising control over ones own body

I am arguing that mutual consent and a shared willingness to have sex on each occasion is paramount so I am certainly not arguing that "consent does not matter".