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Originally posted by checkbaiterCould you give some examples from scripture of many people being called God?
Many people were called God ...
Originally posted by galveston75No you haven't, you have deflected and avoided as you usually do. Here is the question:
Because I have answerd you over and over and over. You don't get it so nothing more to say to you. Are you unable to understand that?
Originally posted by checkbaiterSo Jesus being a God does not affect the degree to which you identify with his suffering? Would you have identified with the suffering even more if he hadn't been a God?
Mighty God is simply a reference of nobility. Many people were called God and Lord...
If as they say, He is God, no I could not identify with His suffering. It is also illogical according to the bible. There were many "types" of Christ in the old testament. One of my favorites is Joseph in Genesis. If you will notice in the following verses, he was give ...[text shortened]... thout your consent no man may lift his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt."
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Originally posted by FMFYou miss my point. Jesus was a man. 100% man but without the sinful nature. Still He had to grow in wisdom, make choices. He was the 2nd "Adam" but unlike the 1st "Adam" Jesus made all the right choices. From childhood, He studied the scriptures and learned who He was. He realized through study and revelation from His Father what His calling was. He was obedient unto death. He is my hero, my Lord whom I follow.
So Jesus being a God does not affect the degree to which you identify with his suffering? Would you have identified with the suffering even more if he hadn't been a God?
Originally posted by divegeesterI don't want to get in your game, you look it up. Just look at a concordance every where the words god, God, lord Lord are used...very easy. Are you asking because you want to learn or just argue? Anyone who wants to believe in a triune god is free to do so, but you do err not knowing the scriptures...Anyone who wants to know the truth has to work for it.
Could you give some examples from scripture of many people being called God?
Originally posted by checkbaiterYou made a bold statement about the reference Isaiah makes to the "child" being "mighty God". You said that "many people were called God", which can infer that what Isaiah was saying in that scripture was not unique and specific to Jesus.
I don't want to get in your game, you look it up. Just look at a concordance every where the words god, God, lord Lord are used...very easy. Are you asking because you want to learn or just argue? Anyone who wants to believe in a triune god is free to do so, but you do err not knowing the scriptures...Anyone who wants to know the truth has to work for it ...[text shortened]... the glory of God to conceal a matter,
But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterJesus was also 100% God, because He was the only begotten of the Father.
You miss my point. Jesus was a man. 100% man but without the sinful nature. Still He had to grow in wisdom, make choices. He was the 2nd "Adam" but unlike the 1st "Adam" Jesus made all the right choices. From childhood, He studied the scriptures and learned who He was. He realized through study and revelation from His Father what His calling was. He was obedient unto death. He is my hero, my Lord whom I follow.
Originally posted by checkbaiterIt is you who is missing the point. There are posters here who are saying that Jesus was a God. You have said he was a God. Now you are saying he is "100% man". This is surely not only a contradiction in terms, but you are overtly contradicting yourself.
You miss my point. Jesus was a man. 100% man but without the sinful nature.
Originally posted by RJHindsJesus was 100% man, never 100% God...Yes I agree Jesus was the only begotten of God, meaning He was born of a woman and seed was created in her by God. I know the text says Holy Spirit, but God is Holy, and God is Spirit...hence God is Holy Spirit. The gift we receive at the new birth is holy spirit. There is a difference.
Jesus was also 100% God, because He was the only begotten of the Father.
Adam was created 100% man by God, not begotten of God as was Jesus.
Originally posted by divegeesterThis is a copy and paste from volumes I have read on this topic...
You made a bold statement about the reference Isaiah makes to the "child" being "mighty God". You said that "many people were called God", which can infer that what Isaiah was saying in that scripture was not unique and specific to Jesus.
If you are unwilling to back this claim up with evidence or expand on the implications, then I will assume you in ...[text shortened]... The onus is on you to explain it, not on the reader to scury off to see if it is correct.
Originally posted by FMFI did not say Jesus is a god, I said it was a term used of nobility, reverence and the like. Jesus was 100% man.
It is you who is missing the point. There are posters here who are saying that Jesus was a God. You have said he was a God. Now you are saying he is "100% man". This is surely not only a contradiction in terms, but you are overtly contradicting yourself.
Originally posted by Phil HillYou can judge and mock now, but all you are doing is accumulating wrath for yourself.
Did God put Jesus as a homunculus into Mary or did he put his seed into Mary (which is rape) so that Jesus could be born through evolution? Or is it easier to believe the whole story is fiction?