Meat, the hard truth - Not for Milk Christians

Originally posted by Tom Wolsey
John 3:16 says nothing to support any notion that works are required for salvation.

John 3:16 ? Clearly you did not read the rest of the teachings of Christ and the Apostles

There are one hundred or so other passages which state in no uncertain terms that NOBODY, gets into the Kingdom of God unless they live righteously.

Jesus said it about 4 dozen times
Paul said it about 2 dozen times
Peter about 1 dozen times
John and James said it over and over and over

You cannot arrive at truth by just picking out a few passages. Get the whole story.

FAITH + WORKS are requirements for entry into the Kingdom of God.

No Christian automatically does good works.
Good works does not necessarily come out of faith.

Faith can be dead.
Faith can be living.
Living Faith means the faithful person also does good works.

Originally posted by Rajk999
John 3:16 ? Clearly you did not read the rest of the teachings of Christ and the Apostles

There are one hundred or so other passages which state in no uncertain terms that NOBODY, gets into the Kingdom of God unless they live righteously.

Jesus said it about 4 dozen times
Paul said it about 2 dozen times
Peter about 1 dozen times
John and James said ...[text shortened]... an be dead.
Faith can be living.
Living Faith means the faithful person also does good works.

In your opinion can works that are done devoid of faith be good?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
In your opinion can works that are done devoid of faith be good?

James said:
... by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (James 2:24 KJV)

Jesus said:
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. (Matthew 25:34-36 KJV)

God likes anyone that does good works. Jesus said it clearly .. those who do good worrks will enter the Kingdom of God.

Originally posted by Rajk999
James said:
... by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (James 2:24 KJV)

Jesus said:
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ...[text shortened]... in prison, and ye came unto me. (Matthew 25:34-36 KJV)

God likes anyone that does good works.

If you take the verses you have quoted together with Ephesians 2:8,9:

"For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.…

It is clear that works alone cannot save you. The people referred to in Matthew 25 obviously had faith else Ephesians 2:8 is a lie.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If you take the verses you have quoted together with Ephesians 2:8,9:

"For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.…

It is clear that works alone cannot save you. The people referred to in Matthew 25 obviously had faith else Ephesians 2:8 is a lie.

OK.

Originally posted by FMF
What makes you say this?

You do.

Originally posted by josephw
You do.

Simply questioning my intelligence - while certainly being a bit of online bravado that might give you a kick - it is not a proper contribution to the discussion.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Not agreeing with you?

Nice. Is it fun being an FMF lackey?

No. What I refer to is twisting and misrepresenting scripture to make it appear as if it supports your pre-made, unbiblical dogma.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Nice. Is it fun being an FMF lackey?

No. What I refer to is twisting and misrepresenting scripture to make it appear as if it supports your pre-made, unbiblical dogma.

Why not play the ball rather than almost always the man? This is the forum for discussing scripture.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
John 3:16 also says nothing about the price of fish. What's your point?

Are you seriously unaware of biblical passages that make clear works are required for salvation?

And are you seriously unaware of the passages which describe one's works, one's efforts to qualify for the Kingdom of God on their own merits, as "filthy rags"? Again, works are the result of salvation, not the source of it. I'll forego the essay about 'cause and effect'.

Originally posted by FMF
Why not play the ball rather than almost always the man? This is the forum for discussing scripture.

Apparently, it's not.

And, Mr. Wizard, there is FAR more to Christianity than just scripture. Presumably, this is why you fail.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Apparently, it's not.

And, Mr. Wizard, there is FAR more to Christianity than just scripture. Presumably, this is why you fail.

Fair enough. But, like I said, why not play the ball rather than almost always play the man?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
It says she was 'justified by works.'

Why are not seeing that?!

'Justified by'.

NOT 'Driven by'.

Big difference.

Rajk and his 'crew' here seem 'driven by'... and that is hardly 'justified by'.

Originally posted by FMF
Fair enough. But, like I said, why not play the ball rather than almost always play the man?

I don't subscribe to nearly ANYthing you 'say' simply because your motives have shown themselves to be questionable, at best, and lies, at worst. You figure out which I think it is in this case.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I don't subscribe to nearly ANYthing you 'say' simply because your motives have shown themselves to be questionable, at best, and lies, at worst. You figure out which I think it is in this case.

You seem angry again. Why?