Originally posted by Proper Knobso do I, for to be sure, they would be better spending their time talking to the wall than you!
Becasue you make the choice to follow them like a mindless drone.
You spout in the science forum how you're a 'original thinker' and how the rest of us just regurgitate other people's thoughts whilst you do the same.
I didn't know this part of JW's views, i pity the next one that steps on my doorstep!!!!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo you like to label other people as homosexual. Do you think they like to be labelled like jar of jam, do you think?
i have labelled no one a homosexual, although i suspect that noobster may be a closet one 😉
You are a christian so you cannot understand.
Originally posted by FabianFnasi have labelled no one a homosexual, i treat everyone i meet as an individual, and if i cannot understand, then why are you asking me?
So you like to label other people as homosexual. Do you think they like to be labelled like jar of jam, do you think?
You are a christian so you cannot understand.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe following questions are still valid regardless.
therefore you are limiting your interpretation to one specific aspect, why would you do that? also there are many other medical reasons why a person my 'look', overweight, for example water retention, slow metabolism etc. etc., plus, and this is the most damning refutation of your approach, we are counselled not to judge by any mere appearance to th ...[text shortened]... ard appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24- the words of Christ i believe.
Do you actively speak to all the overweight members of your congregation to give them the "opportunity and assistance" that is needed to "help them overcome their particular problem"? What help have you offered them? Has anyone refused this "help"?
If an overweight person wishes to become part of the congregation, are they refused membership until they no longer feel compelled to overeat? What constitutes demonstrated repentance? Must they lose all the weight or only demonstrate that the weight is coming off and claim that they no longer have the compulsion?
Shouldn't you still "offer them help"? There's no judgment in that. If it is because of a genuine medical problem. which is extremely rare, then they can prove it. If a person has a "slow metabolism", then they are overeating for their metabolism level and are still slaves to food. If they weren't slaves, they would adjust their eating level accordingly.
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I see many posters running with assumptions in this thread. And the assumptions I don't think are always accurate.
Let me back up to one of the early ones.
So Paul tells a congregation that if a certain one among them calls himself a "brother" but behaves a certain way, do not eat with him.
Does that mean that this "brother" is excommunicated from the congregation ? Or does it simply mean he gets no invitations to dinner?
Okay, Paul says, with such a person do not eat. Does that necessarily mean that he is no longer permitted to attend any gathering for teaching in the church? I don't see that not eating with him necessarily precludes that he is banished from the Christian meeting.
Embarressment and admonishment from not being invited to a meal is not necessarily excommunication from the fellowship of the church.
Not all meetings of the new testament church are meals. I think things have to be taken carefully in perspective.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieOnce again:
the point is worth repeating, i did not make the rules, God did, if he says that homosexuality is wrong, then who am I to argue with him!
"Oh please. The double standard is purely your own. The double standard is a sign of your bigotry which is also purely your own."
You are just using God to further your bigotry.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneyou perhaps do not understand the point, its not like a police state, where one polices the congregation, right, everyone up onto the scales, lets take you height and determine the height to weight ration, right, ok, you are over weight, glutton, get in the room till we interrogate you!
The following questions are still valid regardless.
Do you actively speak to all the overweight members of your congregation to give them the "opportunity and assistance" that is needed to "help them overcome their particular problem"? What help have you offered them? Has anyone refused this "help"?
If an overweight person wishes to become part to food. If they weren't slaves, they would adjust their eating level accordingly.
no no, unless a person confesses a serious sin, then who can tell, for in time the sin will become manifest, eventually, but the hope is, that the persons conscience will move them to fess up and seek help.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat you've just posted does not sound the same as what you posted earlier. This is what you posted earlier:
you perhaps do not understand the point, its not like a police state, where one polices the congregation, right, everyone up onto the scales, lets take you height and determine the height to weight ration, right, ok, you are over weight, glutton, get in the room till we interrogate you!
no no, unless a person confesses a serious sin, then who can ...[text shortened]... ventually, but the hope is, that the persons conscience will move them to fess up and seek help.
on the contrary my position is perfectly clear. a person that is a dedicated member of the congregation that succumbs to a serious sin, whether it is gluttony, immorality, homosexuality whatever, shall be given the opportunity and assistance that is needed to help them overcome their particular problem, if they refuse the help, they are clearly unrepentant and shall be removed, until such times as they demonstrate repentance, in accord with Biblical standards.
if a person is a homosexual, glutton, idolater, whatever and wishes to become part of the congregation, they also must bring their lives into harmony with biblical standards before they can be accepted as a dedicated member, if they do not, they are free to come and go how they please, but cannot be a representative of the congregation until they show genuine repentance by conforming their actions to clearly defined Biblical standards.
So now is it your position that you wait until they "confess" before you "help" homosexuals? Or is it enough that it has "become manifest."
Manifest - 1 : readily perceived by the senses and especially by the sight. 2 : easily understood or recognized by the mind : obvious
I'm sure there are plenty of overweight people where it is "manifest" and you can offer them "help". Do you do so? Once again, if they have a genuine medical problem, which is extremely rare, they can prove it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieso as long as gays stay in the closet they can go to your church? LOL!
you perhaps do not understand the point, its not like a police state, where one polices the congregation, right, everyone up onto the scales, lets take you height and determine the height to weight ration, right, ok, you are over weight, glutton, get in the room till we interrogate you!
no no, unless a person confesses a serious sin, then who can ...[text shortened]... ventually, but the hope is, that the persons conscience will move them to fess up and seek help.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDidn' you label a friend of ours? Wasn't it you who wrote "i have labelled no one a homosexual, although i suspect that noobster may be a closet one"
i have labelled no one a homosexual, i treat everyone i meet as an individual, and if i cannot understand, then why are you asking me?
Not only you label him homosexual, you also label him a closet homosexual... And further, as a homosexual, you call him a sinner, and on top of that you mean that he doesn't come to heaven for that, becaue you are a christian! Shame on you! 😠
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI still respect you...We disagree on a lot, but I don't have a problem with that. My final point on this argument is this: I would rather be wrong for the right reasons, then right for the wrong reasons. If I am wrong about this, I know God will see my heart and forgive me. If I am right, then God will rejoice at my loving heart. either way I win and my consience is clear
people people people, calm down here, i did not make the rules, God did, why shoot the messenger simply because you do not like the message, i am flesh and blood, the same as you!
Originally posted by FabianFnasOne of the big debates in modern pyschology today is the subject of labels and the social stigma associated with them. A better approach, many think, is not to label but rather state the behavior. So and so is not "gay" he has sex with men. Somehow I don't think that's any better😞
Didn' you label a friend of ours? Wasn't it you who wrote "i have labelled no one a homosexual, although i suspect that noobster may be a closet one"
Not only you label him homosexual, you also label him a closet homosexual... And further, as a homosexual, you call him a sinner, and on top of that you mean that he doesn't come to heaven for that, becaue you are a christian! Shame on you! 😠