@ghost-of-a-duke saidSo the scale you use to measure value is your likes and dislikes? Since you are the value giver what happens when someone else violently disagrees, do you just inform them who you are? Since you can’t reason with someone on common ground who doesn’t see the world as you do.
The morality we have spoken about (built on an early foundation of cooperation) tends to value the life of our own species above that of other species, including insects. Personally, I'm rather pleased about that.
They may seek the cooperation of like minded to end your point of view. Who would be right or wrong about their beliefs then?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidzzzz
You appear to have abandoned your recent attempts to mimic Fetchmyjunk (in regards to selective memory) and switched across now to sonship's repertoire. - I advise immediately abandoning both.
Yes, human life is more important than a cockroach. If you need God to tell you that, heaven help you.
@darfius saidHey darfius, welcome back. Try to hold off a little longer in your capitulation this time, there's a good chap.
So now you are assuming your crap hypothesis as fact despite the evidence of history and reason, eh? Anything to avoid having to answer to your Maker, I suppose. Degenerate atheists.
My argument is fully supported by history and reason. The Maker you speak of,...not so much.
@kellyjay saidDemocracy.
So the scale you use to measure value is your likes and dislikes? Since you are the value giver what happens when someone else violently disagrees, do you just inform them who you are? Since you can’t reason with someone on common ground who doesn’t see the world as you do.
They may seek the cooperation of like minded to end your point of view. Who would be right or wrong about their beliefs then?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou are pleased with our world today? As I look at the world I am not pleased, it’s filled with people who do evil and wicked things passing themselves off as good enough.
The morality we have spoken about (built on an early foundation of cooperation) tends to value the life of our own species above that of other species, including insects. Personally, I'm rather pleased about that.
What about the world now pleases you? The fact we have killed more of ourselves in the 20th century than I believe the previous ones combined? I think you have a very low bar when it comes to humanity and morals to be happy about today.
You have not said either how you go from cooperating to moral notions. One does not connect to the other.
@kellyjay saidI have a low bar when it comes to humanity?! Which one of us compared humans to cockroaches?
You are pleased with our world today? As I look at the world I am not pleased, it’s filled with people who do evil and wicked things passing themselves off as good enough.
What about the world now pleases you? The fact we have killed more of ourselves in the 20th century than I believe the previous ones combined? I think you have a very low bar when it comes to humanity ...[text shortened]... ave not said either how you go from cooperating to moral notions. One does not connect to the other.
I don't think you thought this through.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo, I asked you how you make the distinction one over the other given nothing about either’s orgin makes either better or worse. Your answer was frightening, it is what you want! No rational, no justification, you like one over the other. As that gets applied to all other comparisons such as those people or these, my standards or yours, it will not be reason in the end when lines are drawn, there will only be survival.
I have a low bar when it comes to humanity?! Which one of us compared humans to cockroaches?
I don't think you thought this through.
@kellyjay saidThe frightening thing kelly is that you have to ask the question, why are humans more important than cockroaches.
No, I asked you how you make the distinction one over the other given nothing about either’s orgin makes either better or worse. Your answer was frightening, it is what you want! No rational, no justification, you like one over the other. As that gets applied to all other comparisons such as those people or these, my standards or yours, it will not be reason in the end when lines are drawn, there will only be survival.
Seriously.
@kellyjay saidKelly - some simple YES or NO questions.
This world is under a curse for the things we did, we are reaping what we sow. You are blaming the one that has been trying to turn our lives around, instead of accepting our part in the evil in this world.
Bearing in mind that you have already said that god created everyone.
1. Did your god create Hitler and deformed babies and my brain damaged daughter?
Bearing in mind that you have already said that god created everything.
2. Did your god create all the parasites, viruses and bacteria that cause so much suffering?
Bearing in mind that you have already said that god maintains everything.
3. Does your god maintain the oceans, rain forests and grasslands of the world?
4. Does your god maintain the atmosphere?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAnd you had no answer except you like humans better, again frightening!
The frightening thing kelly is that you have to ask the question, why are humans more important than cockroaches.
Seriously.
@wolfgang59 saidWhy ask me questions you post the answers for imbedded in them?
Kelly - some simple YES or NO questions.
Bearing in mind that you have already said that god created everyone.
1. Did your god create Hitler and deformed babies and my brain damaged daughter?
Bearing in mind that you have already said that god created everything.
2. Did your god create all the parasites, viruses and bacteria that cause so much sufferi ...[text shortened]... ain the oceans, rain forests and grasslands of the world?
4. Does your god maintain the atmosphere?
You reaching for understanding about something just ask?
@kellyjay saidSo you think this makes it okay to elect politicians who only think of punishing people and give no thought to working together to make things better? That's just... sick.
You are pleased with our world today? As I look at the world I am not pleased, it’s filled with people who do evil and wicked things passing themselves off as good enough.
What about the world now pleases you? The fact we have killed more of ourselves in the 20th century than I believe the previous ones combined? I think you have a very low bar when it comes to humanity ...[text shortened]... ave not said either how you go from cooperating to moral notions. One does not connect to the other.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDemocracy yeah right majority rules over the minority. You have yet to actually speak about actual morals, instead you promote things that have more to do with strong over coming the weak.
Democracy.