Morality without a deity.

@fmf said
Is your belief in your God the only thing that's preventing you from feeling no different from a cockroach?

I believe God created all of us in His image, I'm not the one with the belief that all life sprang up from pond scum or something else. You still believe in evolution, nothing but natural unguided processes could make your feelings set you apart from the rest of the living creatures in worth, that you have more value than cockroach?

@kellyjay said
How do you define good in a world of evolution without God? You like it so its good, what if roaches don't like it in greater numbers, that make it bad?

You are still talking about cockroaches for some reason.

@kellyjay said
How do you define good in a world of evolution without God?

"God" [and gods] are notions that humans developed as they themselves developed. For billions of people around the world they "define good" in terms of their religion and their religious upbringing and the effect of religion on the culture in which they live. My moral compass is affected by religion.

@kellyjay said
You and the roach, on the evolutionary scale, both born to die.

I don't have any problem with the fact that we die.

@fmf said
Your moral compass presumably points in a different direction from mine in some ways. This is because of anthropology and psychology and nature [evolution etc.] and nurture [experience etc.].

I'm quite sure roaches feel different than you do too, if all compasses are no different than the next, one is no more important either. You know this nature and nurture in evolution doesn't care what lifeforms out live the next, you think humans will outlive the cockroaches? If not than are they BETTER than us, because they will survive while it seems we will destroy ourselves if we are not careful. Does that mean they are better?

@fmf said
I don't have any problem with the fact that we die.

It doesn't matter what your views are about death, each day brings us all one day closer to our own.

@kellyjay said
Not one point of view has more merit than another.

If you argue your personal opinion about a moral issue in a way that "has more merit" than one of mine, then I will acknowledge it and may even adopt it.

@kellyjay said
It doesn't matter what your views are about death, each day brings us all one day closer to our own.

I don't have any problem with the fact that "each day brings us all one day closer to our own" deaths. You seem to think you have some persuasive point to make about the fact that we all die.

@kellyjay said
You know this nature and nurture in evolution doesn't care what lifeforms out live the next, you think humans will outlive the cockroaches? If not than are they BETTER than us, because they will survive while it seems we will destroy ourselves if we are not careful. Does that mean they are better?

I have already described the difference, as I see it, between me and a cockroach.

@kellyjay said
I'm quite sure roaches feel different than you do too, if all compasses are no different than the next, one is no more important either.

I don't know about how cockroaches "feel". I think you're swinging and missing with your cockroaches riff.

all compasses are no different than the next, one is no more important either.

On the contrary, all compasses are unique.

My wife's moral compass is more important to me than others. My children's moral compasses are more important to me than others. My family's moral compasses are more important to me than others. My community's moral compasses are more important to me than others. The moral compasses of the people I associate with are more important to me than others. The moral compasses of the people I work with are more important to me than others.

@fmf said
If you argue your personal opinion about a moral issue in a way that "has more merit" than one of mine, then I will acknowledge it and may even adopt it.

You cannot have all opinions are equal, we all have our own compass, then also have one point of view better than another! To do that there has to be some way to compare one from the other to show one is better than, if that isn't possible, back to roach who also has its one life to live equal in value to your and everyone you love. Some religions of man even agree with that, but that pushes one view over another, and evolutionary thought cannot make that judgment call, can it?

@kellyjay said
You still believe in evolution, nothing but natural unguided processes could make your feelings set you apart from the rest of the living creatures in worth, that you have more value than cockroach?

Well, perhaps it was a guided process. Who knows for sure?

Do you not read my posts?

@fmf said
I don't know about how cockroaches "feel". I think you're swinging and missing with your cockroaches riff.

all compasses are no different than the next, one is no more important either.

On the contrary, all compasses are unique.

My wife's moral compass is more important to me than others. My children's moral compasses are more important to me than others. My famil ...[text shortened]... me than others. The moral compasses of the people I work with are more important to me than others.

You don't understand if all compasses point in every direction, than none of them point to anything specific! If there isn't a direction that matters, none are better than the next. Long live the roach!

@kellyjay said
You cannot have all opinions are equal, we all have our own compass, then also have one point of view better than another!

I don't think "all opinions are equal". I have no doubt you think your opinions about various issues are more morally sound than mine. I have never said I believe "all opinions are equal". Whether X is better than Y in terms of right and wrong is a matter for our moral compasses.

@fmf said
Well, perhaps it was a guided process. Who knows for sure?

Do you not read my posts?

A guided process is not evolution, that is creation.